Cruising on $500 per Month . . .

[MacG]

Well she can board with me anytime ......

[atoll]

Originally Posted by MacG

Well she can board with me anytime ......

great way to learn a language as well............

[Wavewacker]

But, would she cost more than $500.00 a month...that's the question???

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Wavewacker

But, would she cost more than $500.00 a month...that's the question???

for a white girl,she is prolly paying her own way lol......

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by callmecrazy

It really wasn't a dig at multihulls, it was a dig at rich powerboaters

What a silly comment



If I was a rich powerboater I would have just bought one and not built.

If I was rich I would be putting mast and sails on what is basically a sailing cat, at vast additional cost instead of leaving them off.

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by callmecrazy

I'm sure I don't need to point out that people have been sailing engineless for 1000 years...And even today, people are still successfully sailing engineless in all parts of the world.

I have no issue with people choosing to be engine-less as long as they dont put others at risk.

I had a 30ft class sailing yacht (Diamond) and this didnt have an engine, but I would not be so foolish as to mix it up amongst supertanker traffic, especially in congested areas with little wind and big current.

And do I really have to point out that we havent had mega congested areas with huge supertankers running around until recently?

If the country has implemented, and requires, a ship tracking system to help avoid collisions in a congested area, then yes, the people who don't use it are morons IMO.

So why cant you see that peole without engines, choosing to transit these areas, are also morons?

seriously, do we have to play the pedantic game every time something is posted in this thread?

Are you admitting to being pedantic?

FWIW these few posts I have done are the first I have done (I believe)in a 2500 post thread, so certainly cant be guilty of your allegation.

[cat man do]

Originally Posted by Ex-Calif

Interesting video. He tees this episode up with the "dangers" of piracy in the Mallaca Straits then spends 90% of the video dorking around unprofessionally trying to transit Singapore waters. He gets on the comm several times trying to tell all the authorites how limited his capabilites are and how he has to break all the local anchoring restrictions.


I am very surprised they didn't fine him. They should have...

Nice video, dumb sailor.

Couldn't agree more

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by cat man do

I have no issue with people choosing to be engine-less as long as they dont put others at risk.

I had a 30ft class sailing yacht (Diamond) and this didnt have an engine, but I would not be so foolish as to mix it up amongst supertanker traffic, especially in congested areas with little wind and big current.

And do I really have to point out that we havent had mega congested areas with huge supertankers running around until recently?

So why cant you see that peole without engines, choosing to transit these areas, are also morons?



Are you admitting to being pedantic?


Can

FWIW these few posts I have done are the first I have done (I believe)in a 2500 post thread, so certainly cant be guilty of your allegation.

It is apparent that we are straying from the topic of this thread.

The topic of this thread is micro-budget cruising. Postings illustrating how to go about this are welcome.

Those who prefer to troll here for the purpose of killing the cruising ambitions of the willing are not welcome.

For the record, I cruised world wide and have yet to encounter the conditions mentioned above, including the Malacca Strait and Singapore Approaches, not to mention Hong Kong and the Florida Straits. In each and every locale, there has been sufficient wind for steerage and avoidance. My personal closest call with a supertanker was just north of the line in the Arabian Sea, and I did not lack for steerage.

Those who go on an on about engines, are not sailors, they know nothing about sailing, they have no experience sailing anything except a computer keyboard.

If you disagree with the above, I welcome your cruising resume. It had better be very good. It had better include extensive experience in dinghies.

Now, go back to pp 28-37 and learn how it is done. Recognize the following important facts:

In 1970 when I returned from the war, Eric Hiscock and Hal Roth were exploring the oceans, soon accompanied by the Pardeys. They generally cruised on $300-400 / month. Apartments cost $75/month. New cars cost $3,000. Gas cost $0.30/gal Corn cost $1.50/bu. As a beginning teacher, I earned $14,400 /yr.

Today Gas costs $3.25/gal, new cars cost $30,000, and apartments cost $750-1000 / month. I f you want to cruise as the Roths and Hiscocks did, you likely need $3000-4000 / month.

That is not micro-budget cruising. If you want to cruise on $500/month something has to give, and that something is the engine. Also, you need to keep the boat between 28-32 ft LOA, and very simple.

If you can't stomach this, no fear, simply troll elsewhere, perhaps on the "Cruising on $4000 per month" thread.

If you want to comment here, I expect to see constructive comments pertinent to the topic, which advance the knowledge of the participants, and move everyone forward.

That is , I expect to see you using your intellect to bring to the fore ideas which make micro-budget cruising more enjoyable, and practical.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by atoll

people want to regulate the world so they can control it..

an engineless sailor has as much right to free passage as a super tanker.

will the powers that be outlaw walking now we have the automobile?

The reality, AIS and all that folderol, ends pretty much once you leave the USA. Those of us on budgets, don't look to the screen for data on approaching ships, we look to the horizon. If we see one, we get a bearing on it. If the bearing does not change, we know we are on a collision course, and we turn to avoid.

It's simple as that.

If we need visibility, we do our passages during full moons. We don't turn to the RADAR.

If you are micro-budget cruising, for certain you will not have much in the way of electronics, and may not have electricity aboard either.

You must hone your senses and learn seamanship.

That takes practice, which means sailing and cruising at sea.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by xymotic

That's why it should be mandatory for every budget-conscious cruiser to install and use FLIR. And not the cheapo hand-held one's either, those are crap. You absolutely have to have the hard-mounted joystick controllable one. Or you're gonna die.

Rubbish!

I cruise extensively without all this crap. I'm still here. Kevin doesn't have electricity on his boat and he does the Maine-VI run each year. He's still here.

You guys need to lighten up. Go sailing. Learn how to manage at sea.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by callmecrazy

That's a common argument, and a valid one. But the planet is much bigger than those places we'll be travelling to. Having this gear on an ocean crossing, or in an area with 'normal' traffic, is better than not having it.

Once you get to places where it's of no concern, turn it off save the battery and go do some freakin fishing.... it's that simple.

The most practical method for improving visibility at night is to go on a full moon. You don't need electronics for this, simply your eyes.

As for unlit floating junk in the third world. I can't agree more. I found an unlit barge the hard way, by hitting it. It was moored in the shipping channel, without lights. I was there because my Russian wife goaded me into the passage due to her fears of being incarcerated in Brunei for lacking a visa. She's here in the states getting citizenship, because I'm fed up with the visa issues.

All the electronic gizmos you guys are discussing are guaranteed to fail once you are on passage. You simply must learn seamanship.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by cat man do

In an area where there is little wind, strong current, 1000+ ships traversing, limited space and manoeuvrability, I would say the priority was an engine.

I consider what he did irresponsible and unseamanlike and I am surprised he didnt have a fine slapped on him and his arse dragged out into clear water .

I've sailed those waters. I can tell you that yachts are ignored. The
ship traffic is over rated. They keep to their lanes you keep out of their way. They like this program, you will too.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Great stuff... so head out and buy one.. be happy...
But why's folk insisting the rest of us should go out and buy one...
Is it.....
Just so's you can see if yours is working...????
The main engine of Commercialism.. 'The Brag Factor'... if no one buys one they're just another useless tool... but chuck one in front of a 'Mr Jone's'...
Hotcakes....

Well said, electronic gizmos are not part of micro-budget cruising.

Most certainly, there must be an AIS thread where you guys can chew the fat on these gizmos.

This thread is limited to Micro-budget, or basic cruising. Mostly this is engineless, and electricityless. So discuss your oil lamps, your hand pumped water or head, or your yuloe, or your sweep, or your latest gizmo for making setting sail easier.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by IslandHopper

As far as AIS goes, i would like to take this opportunity to thank those three Sailboats (if they come here that is) that had their AIS Transponders on when we where transiting Bass Strait last month.

We where towing a construction barge and the total length of tow was 1100m, the wind was blowing 35 to 40 and it was after midnight. We could not see the Sailboat’s, who where all between 8 and 15nm miles away and the radar returns where sporadic at best, BUT there AIS info came through with their course and speed beautifully (overlaid on the radar) showing a converging course.

This info allowed us to contact them giving our status and advising them to keep clear, to which they returned a thank you and let us know they had been monitoring us (on there AIS) and adjusted there course's accordingly.

Everyone was safe and happy....

IN December 92 we were crossing from Mobile to Tampa. During the crossing the trades came up to gale force. Sometime in the wee hours we sighted nav lights of a vessel towing something, and worked out the CPA on the plotting sheet, noting we were ok.

Shortly after, we were hailed on VHF 16 by a USCG cutter towing a shrimper. the voice was young, and scared, and advised us to keep out of the way. I gave them our course, speed and requested they check their maneuvering board and recommend best course to avoid. The next voice was older and measured. He told us to maintain course and speed.

Only a very few bearings taken between wave crashes can give you the necessary info to determine CPA. Knowing the lights shown by tows is essential for your safety.

There is no electronic gizmo that substitutes for seamanship and experience. Whatever you do, get out and go sailing, under whatever conditions you can find, good or bad.

INDY

[goprisko]

Originally Posted by osirissail

You are assuming that because a "regulation" exists, people, corporations, etc. will follow it. Not so in most of the world in almost any field of endeavor be it on land or on the water.

Specifically, on the water, having routinely having to dodge unlit fishing boats, tugboat and barge tows, etc., etc. there is no way in this world 3rd World or even some 1st World countries are going to abide by those new "regulations" when they don't abide by the existing ones now.

There are dead cruisers in both oceans who even with radar and C.A.R.D. systems still get run down and killed by ocean freighters and other major shipping vessels who were running without lights and with their radars turned off.

So for the "Cruising on $500 per month" folks they will be needing to use their "mark 1, mod 1" eyeballs to keep out of the way of potential conflicts. And even more important choosing routes and timing those routes to avoid known high traffic periods.

Having propulsion - inboard diesel or outboard gasoline - would be my first "safety" suggestion for micro-budget cruisers so they could get themselves out of the path of conflicting vessels. Beats paddling like a madman up on the bow trying to get out of the way of that cruise ship doing 20 kts bearing down on you. And the big ships, even with active radar, cannot see your small FRG or wooden boat that is hidden in the sea clutter.

This is a "True story". I was at the town dock at Killarney, Ontario one fine summer day when an old salt sauntered down for a gam.

Seems he was on a cruise which started in Cleveland.

He and his cronies decided to go north and about at the last minute. They were pretty good about buying and stowing the beer and ice, but the only map they could find was from a petrol station and showed all 5 great lakes on one 4X3 ft sheet. Nav aids, it did not show.

Nonetheless, our fearsome trio made it past Pelee Island and to the St. Marys, when the fog rolled in. According to my host, he was at the tiller, crying "gimme a beer" when the bow lookout shouted "TURN!!".

He replied "Dammit, gimme a beer". The Bow lookoug shouted "TURN, TURN NOW!", to which he replied "God Dammit, GIMME A BEER!"

The bow lookout shouted" GOD DAMN IT! TURN!" Whereupon our fearless chap pushed the tiller aside to reach for his beer, just as a grey wall appeared to starboard.

The ship passed safely. Our chap suitably fortified resumed course, and eventually made it to Killarney at the NW end of the North Channel, where I found him.

INDY