New Standard Waypoint Icons For OpenCPN - Input Requested

[yachtvalhalla]

Originally Posted by Revelations

Here is the correct quarantine icon which will be available in OpenCPN.

Is that true that this one will be in OpenCPN?

I thought the waypoint icons were under discussion and not finalized.

Terry

[svrevelations]

Originally Posted by yachtvalhalla

Sorry but that's even worse! Has nothing to do with a quarantine area.

What do you have against using a 'Q' flag?

Perhaps you are thinking about a disaster quarantine area instead of a nautical one that would be familiar to sailors.

Terry

It may be worse in your mind. But it is the recognized international symbol for "quarantine" designated area.

https://www.google.com/search?q=inte...w=1456&bih=878

The Q flag have a completely different meaning and is not the symbol to show a quarantine designated area. So, my difficulty using a yellow flag as the quarantine icon is that it is just plain wrong as the yellow flag means the exact opposite;

"My ship is healthy and I require the free practice." Indeed, it is mostly used to require the inspection by the customs authorities.

Quarantine Flag-

The current quarantine sign is the correct symbol to show a quarantine designated area. As far as I am concerned, to show the correct symbol supersede one's personal taste, likes and dislikes.

[svrevelations]

Originally Posted by yachtvalhalla

Is that true that this one will be in OpenCPN?

I thought the waypoint icons were under discussion and not finalized.

Terry

The icons has been discussed for over 2 weeks. Dave intends releasing OpenCPN 4.6.2 sometime next week and asked me for the final list of icons.

Perhaps you could explain your reluctance|difficulty with the international quarantine symbol. Hopefully it is not just because you personally dislike it.

[yachtvalhalla]

Originally Posted by Revelations

The icons has been discussed for over 2 weeks. Dave intends releasing OpenCPN 4.6.2 sometime next week and asked me for the final list of icons.

Perhaps you could explain your reluctance|difficulty with the international quarantine symbol. Hopefully it is not just because you personally dislike it.

It is not that I personally dislike that symbol it is because it relates to a hazardous area that should not be entered. Look at the link you provided.

If you have ever checked into a port and been directed to a quarantine area for clearance (as I have) you might see that it is an area you should enter, not avoid, as the international symbol you have chosen dictates.

It is precisely the area you describe as ""My ship is healthy and I require the free practice." Indeed, it is mostly used to require the inspection by the customs authorities."

And that is why we fly the Q flag when entering a new port and do not strike it until cleared by the authorities.

If you are the final authority on the icons as you suggest then how about letting us see the final list? Hopefully before it is sent to Dave?

Terry

[svrevelations]

Originally Posted by yachtvalhalla

It is not that I personally dislike that symbol it is because it relates to a hazardous area that should not be entered. Look at the link you provided.

If you have ever checked into a port and been directed to a quarantine area for clearance (as I have) you might see that it is an area you should enter, not avoid, as the international symbol you have chosen dictates.

It is precisely the area you describe as ""My ship is healthy and I require the free practice." Indeed, it is mostly used to require the inspection by the customs authorities."

And that is why we fly the Q flag when entering a new port and do not strike it until cleared by the authorities.

If you are the final authority on the icons as you suggest then how about letting us see the final list? Hopefully before it is sent to Dave?

Terry

I'll ignore your "final authority" comment. All the icons for OpenCPN has been posted here in this thread - see the messages above. In addition, OpenCPN 4.6.2 Beta has been released with around 90% of the icons.

I was not asked to create a icon which will indicate areas to which yachts will be directed to for inspection purposes. I was simply asked to create a icon to indicate a "quarantine area". My interpretation of this is "an actual place where goods/animals are stored in quarantine". In view of this, the Q flag is wrong.

You are welcome to create your desired icon indicating what you require.

[HappySeagull]

um. maybe just change the name to StayAwayZone...Polluted zone,HazardousHealthZone .
I'd probably use this icon to mark a poisoned creek or bad oysters...so while i would not say such are common hereabouts, it still is going to be a useful icon. If only as an attention-getter for bad-ness!

Q flag is pretty specific as to Customs/Health inspection and as to an area or place, on a chart I can't think of many I'd place it... But if I were directed some place to be inspected, well, I suppose so.

Add: Maybe as a general rule, best not to mix the International Code of Signals with chart symbols ?
or even a separate set using ICS as icons might be attractive...a Blue peter for the start of a route, B flag for fuel stops etc

[Moo]

Originally Posted by rgleason

It would also be useful to have a mark intended for Aquatic Farming or Fishing nets. Maybe use the same marker? For example for about 10 years we had a large area of oyster farm outside the Stonington Breakwater. These were submerged cages in a rope grid at about 10' down and they were marked by frequent white floats.

The standard symbol for caged fish farming is the one to use. It is IK 48.1 in chart 5011; I don't know the US version.

[Moo]

The quarantine are sometimes found marked on charts and what I take to being discussed here is not a biological hazard area but simply an area where ships/vessels go to request clearance.

Being that ships/vessels should be flying the Q flag when they enter this area and should not be flying when given permission to leave it I think that a wavy yellow Q flag symbol is the most appropriate.

The biohazard symbol can be used for ebola or fatal outbreaks of fishing pox.

So lets have a yellow flag and call it the "request for clearance" or something that means exactly that. I think that everybody will know what it means even if it is called "supercalafragicexpialidocious".

[svrevelations]

Here is a better solution and almost identical to what is done on Chart No. 1.
Hopefully these new quarantine icons will be acceptable to most.

[svrevelations]

I also made you all a icon for the "Q Flag".
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[svrevelations]

For those who want to create their own SVG icons for OpenCPN, here is a video download link.

You can use a number of vector based graphic software (CorelDraw, Adobe Freehand, Inkscape, Gimp and others) - the video was done using CorelDraw. Even if you do use another graphic design package, some SVG export parameters will be similar.

http://www.svrevelations.com/DOWNLOA...ns_960x540.rar

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[rgleason]

Revelations, this is a very nice video. It makes the process look quite easy with Corel Draw. It is 74mb in size and I wonder if you will be leaving it up on your website so we can link to it in the wiki?

[cagney]

The Icons introduced in this thread have been very successful.
There are however some small things that needs adjustments.
The upcoming OpenCPN 5.0 release will include heaps of new features, so I feel that now is a good time to raise this question.

There is an international standard for how the IALA A&B marks should be displayed.

The Position of a buoy is indicated by a small circle (without central dot) in the middle of the base of the symbol.

So how does it work for the moment in 4.8.8?

We drop a mark

Then change the triangle for a cardinal mark.
This looks like

The center of the icon is used to mark the position.
According to the standard it should really look like this


Is there anyone that is handy with graphical tools and can fix this?
There are about 20 IALA icons to change.

Thomas

[Gruz]

Originally Posted by cagney

According to the standard it should really look like this


Is there anyone that is handy with graphical tools and can fix this?
There are about 20 IALA icons to change.

Thomas

If that really bothering you, just drag it on real position.

[Moo]

Originally Posted by Gruz

If that really bothering you, just drag it on real position.

You have missed the point entirely. If you move it it will not longer indicate the real position.

Thomas knows what he is talking about