Why the differnce in price?

[Baba Buoy]

Originally Posted by Mr B

I bought a tailshaft universal joint for my boat yesterday from England,
Postage was 35 quid, Airmail, Listed on their site,
Talking on the phone, Oh, you live in Australia, Let me check,
Its 70 Quid to post to Australia,
35 Quid is for the UK and the USA,
The part was 172 Quid,
So in OZ its $420-00 AUD, Delivered,
The Black and rubber part in the piccys,

I did buy a Honda 6.5 KVA generator for $93-00 USD Delivered,
Normally around 2 Grand,
I also bought a Dinghy for $98-00 USD. Its on its way, Left Nanjing this morning,
Normally around $750-00

Whether I have been scammed on the generator and dinghy remains to be seen,
I will wait till they get here first before commenting,
But both are covered by Paypal, So I can get my money back if it is a scam,

I also bought my boat overseas as its half the price I would pay in OZ,

You have been scammed. You will not receive items. PayPal will not make good when you do not receive item. Vendor will send out an one ounce package to a random address near you, and use that tracking number to show PayPal it was delivered. Tracking numbers do not show any shipping addresses. PayPal will rule against your claim. You might try to appeal but don't expect help from USPS for needed documentation. They don't provide "internal" documentation to the public which would show this item was delivered to another address. FB, PayPal and USPS will stonewall you when you realize you have been ripped off and you try to contact them about it. If you are real persistent, you can get USPS to provide you with a doc and get a refund from PayPal. I did. Good luck, you will need it.

[CassidyNZ]

Originally Posted by Mr B

I bought a tailshaft universal joint for my boat yesterday from England,
Postage was 35 quid, Airmail, Listed on their site,
Talking on the phone, Oh, you live in Australia, Let me check,
Its 70 Quid to post to Australia,
35 Quid is for the UK and the USA,
The part was 172 Quid,
So in OZ its $420-00 AUD, Delivered,
The Black and rubber part in the piccys,

I did buy a Honda 6.5 KVA generator for $93-00 USD Delivered,
Normally around 2 Grand,
I also bought a Dinghy for $98-00 USD. Its on its way, Left Nanjing this morning,
Normally around $750-00

Whether I have been scammed on the generator and dinghy remains to be seen,
I will wait till they get here first before commenting,
But both are covered by Paypal, So I can get my money back if it is a scam,

I also bought my boat overseas as its half the price I would pay in OZ,

Yes, if you’re planning on waiting at the post box for the gen or dingy to arrive, get a comfy chair, you’re likely to be there for a while. The postage for your universal joint is nearly twice the cost (GBP70 = AU$140, approx) of the advertised purchase price of the generator. How is that even remotely possible?

I suspect the only thing that left Nanjing was your $98

[Shrew]

Originally Posted by Mr B

So in OZ its $420-00 AUD, Delivered,

Honda 6.5 KVA generator for $93-00 USD Delivered,
Dinghy for $98-00 USD.
Normally around $750-00

I apologize as I'm not familiar with this numerical representation. I'm more familiar with:

$93.00 (ninety-Three)
$930.00 (Nine Hundred Thirty)
$9,300.00 (Nine Thousand, Three Hundred)
$93,000.00 (Ninety-three thousand)
$930,000.00 (Nine Hundred Thirty Thousand)

$93 or $930 would be unrealistically inexpensive for a 6.5 Kw Honda Generator. The MSRP for a new Honda 7Kw is $5K USD, so $9,300 would seem very high.

[Dogscout]

So lets get this back on track a bit. I agree with you that prices in the MED are lower than the US for equivilent yachts. BUT. VAT may figure into your equation, and equally is my observation that the EU boats get closer to asking price unless there is some huge issue.

When I went to buy my boat, my observation was that EU boats had lower asking prices than equivalent boats in the US. As an American it did not matter to me about VAT payed or not.

I do not necessarily agree that lower prices is because there are a lot of charter boats that flood the market. There are a lot of charter boats in the Caribbean that end up for sale in Florida. There are a lot of boats in Florida that never leave the dock that flood the market. I looked at alot of used boats in Europe and none were ex charter.

Lastly the MED is a huge playground and a huge market so the supply of used boats is normally very high.

I posted this in another forum and it may give you some better ideas but it was my experience and you may find it of value
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...ought-my-boat/

Lastly; I think that its entirely the best idea to buy in the MED and start planning for a Atlantic crossing. I'll likely cross in late 2022 but I am enjoying being there immensely.

[johnmort]

Originally Posted by got seashells?

Okay so this is confusing to me and wonder if you can shed some light. There appears to be a large difference in price when looking at boats in Turkey, Croatia and Spain versus the price listed in the US for similar boats. Is there a valid reason that is just escaping me? Or is it the people in the US are just willing to pay higher prices or something like that?

Simply the demand for boats is 5 times higher in the USA .
On top of that look at the charter business worldwide 75% of it happens in the Caribbean

[sailingharry]

We recently bought a new-to-us boat. The European boats certainly caught our eye, but after seeing boats from Toronto to south Florida, we bought in our back yard. We've also traveled a small bit in Europe. My take is it is a few things working together.


* Europe has strong social programs and taxes, along with strong disincentives to wealth. These make it hard for Europeans to be wealthy enough to own a large luxury like a boat. US upper middle class can afford houses, cars, beach condos, and $100K boats -- not so much for Europeans. We walked a few docks in Italy, and there were charter boats and wrecks. And the wrecks outnumbered the charter boats 10-1 (and the wrecks were all work boats, not pleasure boats).
* Hadn't noticed the VAT, but that just makes it even harder for locals to buy.
* Foreign buyers can't easily get the boat home. East Coast of US is close to 2 months hard push from Greece. A lot of time to spend to get it home. And the boats are in no shape for the trip (they aren't "bad" boats -- but they are fit out for coastal cruising). No EPIRB, no Sat phone, no MOB gear, no ditch bag, no jack lines, no second/third sail, no storm sails, etc, etc, etc. So even if it is in really good condition, count on a month for outfitting.
* Foreign buyers can't easily figure out the paperwork. Who do you give a deposit to? Can they be trusted? How do you title it, even for the trip home?
* Foreign buyers can't easily look at the boat.


So, strong charter market leads to many boats. No local market can afford it, and foreign markets can't make it work. Ergo, no buyers.

[lo2jones]

Not sure why, but boats in Turkey tend to be well taken care of as opposed to Spain and Croatia. It is my recollection that prices reflect that. If you want or need to have the boat in California, for example, figure in a hefty delivery price. > $20 on her bottom or $60k aboard ship.

[ArtyB]

Originally Posted by Stewie12

Everything in the US is more expensive - including a beer.

Have you ever been to Helsinki, Finland?

Yikes.

Beer=$10.00

Just saying...

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by ArtyB

Have you ever been to Helsinki, Finland?

Yikes.

Beer=$10.00

Just saying...

Have you ever been to Oz..
It was that price in 2014..

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Have you ever been to Oz..
It was that price in 2014..

Stubbie of beer in Victoria, OZ, is $5-00

[Icarus]

[QUOTE=Mr B;3051490]I bought a tailshaft universal joint for my boat yesterday from England,
Postage was 35 quid, Airmail, Listed on their site,
Talking on the phone, Oh, you live in Australia, Let me check,
Its 70 Quid to post to Australia,
35 Quid is for the UK and the USA,
The part was 172 Quid,
So in OZ its $420-00 AUD, Delivered,
The Black and rubber part in the piccys,

I did buy a Honda 6.5 KVA generator for $93-00 USD Delivered,
Normally around 2 Grand,
I also bought a Dinghy for $98-00 USD. Its on its way, Left Nanjing this morning,
Normally around $750-00

Whether I have been scammed on the generator and dinghy remains to be seen,
I will wait till they get here first before commenting,
But both are covered by Paypal, So I can get my money back if it is a scam,

I also bought my boat overseas as its half the price I would pay in Oz

You have been scammed.
Good luck

[Fore and Aft]

Mr B that's probably a VB stubby and there is a reason they call it Freebe! Anyway I hear down your way they are throwing in a free Corona as well!
I think a well cared for ex Charter boat could be a good deal if you find the right one. I would be looking for one with the lowest engine hours and then everything else is a bonus. The real question is what are you going to do with the boat? If you are importing it then the costs start to ad up.
Cheers

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

Mr B that's probably a VB stubby and there is a reason they call it Freebe! Anyway I hear down your way they are throwing in a free Corona as well!
I think a well cared for ex Charter boat could be a good deal if you find the right one. I would be looking for one with the lowest engine hours and then everything else is a bonus. The real question is what are you going to do with the boat? If you are importing it then the costs start to ad up.
Cheers

VB, Boags, Great Northern, Cascade, Corona, Now called Ebola, Hahahaha
What ever, Its all $5-00 a Stubbie,
Its what I drink, So I do know how much Im paying for it,
Bundy and coke is $7-00 a Glass, I drink that too,

I bought a one owner, 8 year old Catamaran in Fiji with all the bells and whistles for half the cost of a similar Cat in OZ,
The seawind was 500 grand for the one I wanted,
Prout 40 footer was 300 grand, And full of untraceable leaks,

With import fees and GST, Termite inspection, Plane fares, Etc Etc, Approx 15 grand all up.
I will come out a long way ahead when I do sell it here.

FWIW, My Cat has lost 40 grand USD, overall, in the 9 years that I have had it,
I am still well ahead on the price I paid for mine,

It also depends on how you get it here, I single handed mine here, Cheapest way,

If you have a delivery crew deliver it for you, Financially, A large Ouch,
If you get it freighted here on a ship, That will give your Visa card a Coronary,

Cheers, Brian,

[Pete7]

Brian,

Did the generator ever turn up?

Pete

[MicHughV]

better to not buy a boat from Norway....I seem to recall bread being sold by the slice...a loaf being far too expensive for mere mortals...