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Old 20-07-2011, 10:52   #31
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Re: Why Do Marinas Do this ?

the fee goes to the marina manager in the form of cash,,not that that has ever happened before,,,no never,,,,in one marina I was just at people paid a daily parking fee of 8 dollars a day for guests,,,,,,cash only even if it was for a week,,,who was getting the money???cash only
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Old 20-07-2011, 12:48   #32
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Re: Why Do Marinas Do this ?

Your friend has several choices:
1. Make friends that carry tool boxes
2. Learn to do it herself
3. Move her boat
4. Lie to the marina about guests with toolboxes...
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Old 20-07-2011, 13:03   #33
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,,,,Hold the phone alice,,,,,,,,,,,,houston we have a problem,,

would that not be dishonest,,,,,we would not want to do that,,,you must just pay the higher prices because the marina says so,,,,,,

Ok sorry just had to,,no offense meant,,,,,,,apologies,,will stop with the sarcasm for the rest of this thread and the rest of the day

she does need to sort out the problem with an outside contractor as it seems the marina is the problem and is offering no help,,
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... florida wine broker had a cruise ship arrested in canada ...
... he waited till they were in canada had the US marshals seize the ship ...
I don’t believe that the USMS (Marshals) can arrest a vessel outside of the USA.

Banks which loan money to purchase ships, vendors who supply ships with necessaries like fuel and stores, seamen who are due wages, and many others have a lien against the ship to guarantee payment. To enforce the lien, the ship must be arrested or seized. An action to enforce a lien against a U.S. ship must be brought in federal court and cannot be done in state court.

Marshals Service policy prohibits the seizure of vessels on the high seas.

When process in rem or of maritime attachment or garnishment has been issued, the vessel may be seized only in the district issuing the process [Supplemental Rule E(3)(a)]. Unless otherwise authorized by statute, a U.S. Marshal may not arrest, attach, or garnish property outside the territorial jurisdiction of his or her district [Supplemental Rule E(3)(a)].

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maybe there is an agreement with canada,,,do not know,,but the story mentioned the US marshals

so if you get a boat loan for the US,,,,leave US waters,,,you don't have to pay it back and there is nothing the lender can do??????

that makes no since as repo agents are around the world,,,might be a little "iffy" on the law or how they do it but no bank is gonna let a 300k boat loan go unpaid,,,, if they can find the boat in foreign waters they will find a way to get it back
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... might be a little "iffy" on the law or how they do it but no bank is gonna let a 300k boat loan go unpaid,,,, if they can find the boat in foreign waters they will find a way to get it back
Maybe so - maybe no; but they won't do it as you described it.
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maybe there is an agreement with canada,,,do not know,,but the story mentioned the US marshals

so if you get a boat loan for the US,,,,leave US waters,,,you don't have to pay it back and there is nothing the lender can do??????

that makes no since as repo agents are around the world,,,might be a little "iffy" on the law or how they do it but no bank is gonna let a 300k boat loan go unpaid,,,, if they can find the boat in foreign waters they will find a way to get it back
US Marshals may not be able to do anything but what you describe is why boat loans for larger vessels are "preferred mortgages" on documented vessels. The bank CAN come after the vessel anywhere in the worls unless the govenment isn't US friendly whe it is a preferreed mortgage and is US documented.
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CanuckSailor - There is a lot of speculation on this thread, but has anyone actually asked the particular marina management why this restrictive policy is in place?
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CanuckSailor - There is a lot of speculation on this thread, but has anyone actually asked the particular marina management why this restrictive policy is in place?
I would rather ask a good journalist. One could tell you that that "if you want to know why, ask your self 'who benefits?'...".

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barnakiel - Well, sure. But still, what is it really that puts these policies in place? - the evil insurance company, the grouchy/lazy marina manager, a history of shady contractors who abused the marina equipment, doors left open to thieves, dumpsters filling up with non-tenant garbage, etc? Someone really ought to ask. It may be possible to work down the objections with creative negotiations and compromise.

I'd like to hear from CanuckSailor on this.
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Re: Why Do Marinas Do this ?

shady subcontractors and survival in usually a dog eat dog short boating season (up north at least) have caused the policies...

Greed? Have seen a lot of decently run marInas go under...So I'm not sure greed is the problem...environmental issues, taxes, labor issues and grief from boat manufacturers all take their toll.
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I agree that greed per se is probably not the cause, but rather insurance and liability issues. It is not greed for a (marina) business to try to limit their exposure to unwarranted claims - whether from boat owners or contractors. Locally known contractors with great skills and integrity are thereby punished by the others in their cohort who work without those attributes. And it is obvious that not everyone out cruising is 100% ethical either; I've known some who equated their "sailing free" narrative with skipping out on bills.
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It is not greed for a (marina) business to try to limit their exposure to unwarranted claims...
Greed is an interesting concept. No one ever thinks that THEY are being greedy. It's always the other guy.

I negotiate the lowest possible price I can when buying a car or a boat. I'm just being "frugal," "sensible," and "getting a fair price." A few years later I go to sell that same car or boat. The buyer haggles long and hard to knock the price down as low as he can... Of course, HE is being "greedy."

Funny how that works, isn't it?
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money.
more money.
greed.
contracts with workers.
money
greed
in many cases one is able to make a special exception with marine on use of special --LICENSED workers to do the work.
these workers need BUSINESS LICENSE, INSURANCE, AND CERTIFICATIONS TO PRESENT TO THE MARINA.
goood luck.
I agree with all but your last statement... Many "uncertified" people know 10 times more than the Certified person.....

Old school, read a book and see what ya can find they can't stop ya fir workin on ye own boat...
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Yup greed, money, on the take paid under the table. Have the guy show up proclaiming to be her brother , dad, boyfriend. I left shell point marina because the guy is on the take. My husband was happy over with his boat until he figured out he was paying 10 percent more to Tims pocket. Moving his boat too at the end of this month. Much better facilities and docks. Its the difference between a boat yard and marina.
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