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Old 04-06-2013, 13:15   #16
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Re: Am I expecting too much

there are 2 places in sd that rent sailboats. both rent day sailing 22s, as well as larger boats. the larger boats can be with captain or without. the daysailing boats are expected back by sundown.
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Old 04-06-2013, 14:50   #17
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Shanedennis I wish I had understood from the beginning that the boats would have no lighting. I did resolve that by purchasing my own lights. your're right they are cheap and friendly. While I don't understand why they couldn't throw a battery on the charger the night before I arrived I do wish they had just told me I couldn't expect lights instead of banning me. Actually it wasn't even a light issue that cost my rental privileges but the leaking waste in the cabin.

Rebelheart Good advices! We have learned a little something each outing and added it to our sailing gear and checklist.

Let'sgetsailing the only reason I returned is they themselves assured me they could deliver what I was looking for. I didn't do the same thing over thinking things would change, I was told they would. Recognizing that it probably wouldn't I purchased lighting to insure we would be safe. it was the leaking port a potty that cost me my rental privileges. And you are right. It is not a cheap hobby. Probably I bit off more than I can chew but what can I do at this point. heh maybe it's just a midlife crisis and I find out I'm not really a sailor after all. God I hope that's not the case!

Zeehag I know the other place expects you back before dark. That is specifically why we wanted to work with this company. They advertised we could have it overnight. Again, I don't want it overnight but we switched to this company for the ability to stay out after dark.

dochip I didn't include the companies name because it is my understanding CF would prefer I not. I think I read something about this specifically not being a place to air grievances with vendors. I have learned so much already on here the last thing I want to do is get banned here as I was from the yacht club /chuckle if you would like to know feel free to message me.

Part of me would like to smear their name all over the internet as I feel all they had to do was be honest with me about what I could expect. I had already decided it was worth providing my own lighting. I have most of the summer before my boat is finally done. Longer if I don't work much harder than I am at the moment.. We had intended to rent again for my wife's birthday later this month. I really wish this hadn't blown up the way it did. Sailing is a very new obsession for me. The only way to learn is by being out on the water. I didn't plan on buying a boat project but /shrug here I am and was hoping for the best of both worlds. The ability to sail while I work on Precious.

Celestialsailor You are right! that is exactly what I need to do!
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Old 04-06-2013, 15:13   #18
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One thing I learned chartering from cheaper places for day sails is that you always want to check the insurance. That's one reason they can be that cheap. One place just left it to the charterer's home owners policy and you assumed full liability as the charterer. So they didn't even mention insurance unless you asked. And they didn't have any either. That seemed like a truly bad idea! We just made sure we didn't do anything risky that day! So now I always ask to be emailed a blank contract before putting a deposit down. If they won't send you one, that's another big clue. The other reason I mention this is that in every contract I've ever signed it says the insurance isn't any good X number of hours before sunset or something along those lines. Even for week sails, you're supposed to be at anchor by a certain time. At least the places I've chartered from.
On the bright side, once you have your boat in the water you'll be more tolerant of us poor chartering souls.
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It wasn't like that. You were responsible for their deductible. I don't recall how much that is. For a very minimal fee their is a zero liability coverage. I always took it.
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Cap'n Grandpa, your frustration with them is justified. They don't do a good job of managing their customers expectations.
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Re: Am I expecting too much

Don't know if these guys are still around, but it might be a good fit to augment your boat with others...

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Re: Am I expecting too much

First - does this company have an option to rent for 8 hours at a rate that is less expensive than the overnight rate? If so, I would save the money and be back before dark.

Second, I am interested in information about charters in the San Diego area as it is the closest location to Phoenix. THIS:

Sailing Instruction | Marina Sailing - Instruction, Rentals & Yacht Charters Southern California

is the place that I was considering for sailing certification classes and "membership" for rentals. Based on prior e-mails, I am not sure what is permitted - but does anyone have any thoughts or experience with this place?

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