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Old 05-08-2011, 13:10   #16
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Re: New West Marine Recall on Rocna Anchors

this topic came up months ago about anchors and IF the quality would remain being they were outsourced to china.. Guess we know the answer now.......
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MY 45 Ib CQR IS BENT but do i care no it still works still holds and i suspect all those Rocna will do the same
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Never heard of it......
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And still the deception continues:
FACT: The substandard metal referred to in the statements from both WM and Rocna claim a batch from early 2010.

FACT: All of the photos of bent shanks that have been published online predate that period of time.

FACT: The "Venice" photo was from early 2009 and was manufactured Dec 2008.

FACT: West Marine must be applauded for their proactive approach and their own tests and investigations that have resulted in "recall" as such.

It will be interesting to see just what the spin doctors come up with when anyone does contact support for answers manufactured to the highest standard they can pen.

Interesting to compare the 2 test bed photos on the website, one bent and one not?
Grant,

Has there been an exact date established when the lower grade steel was substituted? Is it all of the Chinese built Rocna anchors or only some of them? In my case, I have one with a cast fluke that I purchased in December of 2009 which is technically before the date that is posted on the WM website. I am hoping that you can legally shed some light on this.

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Has there been an exact date established when the lower grade steel was substituted? Is it all of the Chinese built Rocna anchors or only some of them? In my case, I have one with a cast fluke that I purchased in December of 2009 which is technically before the date that is posted on the WM website. I am hoping that you can legally shed some light on this.

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Late 2008 when production first started in China
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Re: New West Marine Recall on Rocna Anchors

Good on West Marine!!

My old Danforth Hi-tensile holds just fine.
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West Marine did a great job with this. I'm very impressed.

I'm even more impressed that they used the word "bummer" in an official communication.
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Good job West Marine.

I applaud this decision.
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MY 45 Ib CQR IS BENT but do i care no it still works still holds and i suspect all those Rocna will do the same
It won't as the designer's tolerance for shank straightness is critical to the design working as it is supposed to, something he was very very pedantic about.

The straightness tolerance is only 1mm of curve over 500mm of length and that is hard enough to meet without having the shank bend while in use.

It will not break.
If it bends while set it probably wont even break out but if it does break out it will not reset and if you use it while it is bent it will not set properly next time.
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Re: New West Marine Recall on Rocna Anchors

the following is a article which was reported in yachting monthly August issue ,
Rocna deeply sorry for low spec anchors and reads as follows

Steve Bambury chief executive at Rocna admitted that during the first quarter of 2010 the shanks of Some Rocna anchors were manufactured with steel sourced from a different supplier than usual , he said it was recently discovered that some anchors were produced using steel with a reduced specification and this was not done with Rocna knowledge and we stress that only LIMITED number of anchors were effected ,
he said Rocna anchors were not advertised on the basis of the steel they are made of ,
he said thousands of anchors were sold world wide and only EIGHT returned with bent shanks , of those that had bent shanks , he (steve bambury ) claimed some were undersized for the tonnage of the boat , Rocna anchors are now manufactured in Shanghai in ISO9001 accredited facility china made rocna anchors from 4kg to 40kg have the word ROCNA cast onto the back of the fluke Rocna anchors sized 55kg and above are fabricated rather than cast and have no unique identification number .
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the following is a article which was reported in yachting monthly August issue ,
Rocna deeply sorry for low spec anchors and reads as follows

Steve Bambury chief executive at Rocna admitted that during the first quarter of 2010 the shanks of Some Rocna anchors were manufactured with steel sourced from a different supplier than usual , he said it was recently discovered that some anchors were produced using steel with a reduced specification and this was not done with Rocna knowledge and we stress that only LIMITED number of anchors were effected ,
he said Rocna anchors were not advertised on the basis of the steel they are made of ,
he said thousands of anchors were sold world wide and only EIGHT returned with bent shanks , of those that had bent shanks , he (steve bambury ) claimed some were undersized for the tonnage of the boat , Rocna anchors are now manufactured in Shanghai in ISO9001 accredited facility china made rocna anchors from 4kg to 40kg have the word ROCNA cast onto the back of the fluke Rocna anchors sized 55kg and above are fabricated rather than cast and have no unique identification number .
He should terll the truth and admit that during the period he claims was the only time they used substandard material "without their knowledge", the chinese order and production sheets that tracked their orders ( referred to each week by the Chinese as the "updated anchor list" ) clearly detailed the grade of metal in each shank as either Q420 or Q620.

The only thing that he is sorry for is being caught out.
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I'd be curious to here Craig's feedback on this.
My understanding is that the Smith's sold the Rocna company several years ago to Holdfast, itself owned by the Bambury's. I believe it was under Holdfast management that all production was moved to China. Does anyone have certain knowledge of the timeline?

I feel bad for Craig and Peter. They made a great product that manufacturing changes has diminished.
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