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Old 12-06-2011, 12:55   #1
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Can You Sail (only) On This ?

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can you sail this without using the engines?
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:58   #2
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Re: can you sail (only) on this?

GACK! If you could do it, it would depend on the point of sail. Maybe beam reaching to broad reaching would be possible with a 20kt breeze or so, but I wouldn't count on it. I'm betting that the sailing ability of that boat is extremely limited.
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Old 12-06-2011, 13:35   #3
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thats a shame, i really like the boat.
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Old 12-06-2011, 13:42   #4
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motor sailors neither motor well nor sail well... is your choice--looks roomy enough, but......
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I wouldn't even call that a motorsailor. I'd call that a motoryacht that someone added a sailing rig to. No way that vessel was designed as a motorsailor.
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Old 12-06-2011, 13:53   #6
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Re: can you sail (only) on this?

Of course you can sail it. Point of sail will be limited and you won't be going fast. Notice the $7000 refill type of fuel tank. This boat was not designed to sail. With that much fuel and running on one engine at about 6.5 knots you will have a pretty good range. Over 8000 knts. But I think it would move at maybe 2 knots under sail with 15 to 20 knots of wind.
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Old 12-06-2011, 13:59   #7
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Re: can you sail (only) on this?

This boats sail rig should properly be called a stabilizer, I doubt it effects fuel efficiency much. However as a stabilizer the sail rig is probably much better and more reliable than an expensive hydraulic stabilizer. And any added boost to fuel economy is a bonus!
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Re: can you sail (only) on this?

With the 20knt breeze any where within your stern light angle, you could probably throttle back 15-20%
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Old 12-06-2011, 14:45   #9
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Re: Can You Sail (only) On This ?

so if i was coastal cruising, and was not in a hurry, i could find the correct wind conditions to sail it, if however slow? i am not in a hurry to go from NY to fl, or from FL to brizal. i would be doing crossings, and 7000NM should go about anyplace i assume. if i can wait even weeks for the correct wind, then i could sail it? or am i way off saying that?
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with the trawler/motorsailor..lol/powerboat----you will spend a lot on diesel getting places and sail only a small amount of time.
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Re: Can You Sail (only) On This ?

It appears that the rig in the pic should be thought of as a fuel mileage enhancer and not a strictly sailing rig. With all that windage and weight those pitiful little sails aren't about to move that boat well at all. With a good wind astern you would probably get better mileage.

That boat has nearly 10,000#'s of fuel on board plus a steel hull and two big diesel engines and a small one. It would take the sail power of a Clipper ship to move her in light to moderate air. Well....maybe not all 3000 horsepower worth but still a lot.
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Re: Can You Sail (only) On This ?

There's a bit more info about this boat here

I wander why it's not for sale to U.S. citizens in U.S. waters?
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Old 12-06-2011, 15:42   #13
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That boat has nearly 10,000#'s of fuel on board plus a steel hull and two big diesel engines and a small one. It would take the sail power of a Clipper ship to move her in light to moderate air. Well....maybe not all 3000 horsepower worth but still a lot.

i have to admit, i am in love with steel hulls.
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Re: Can You Sail (only) On This ?

Nothing changes. Let's do some math. It is about 1100 miles from NYC to Miami. If a boat can only sail at 2 knots then that would take 550 hours for the trip if you had sufficient 15 to 20 knot tailwinds which would probably only happen about 1% of the time. Then you got that pesky gulf stream with an average speed of 4 knots northward against you which would give you a SMG of negative 2 knots. You could do the intercoastal but the winds are better offshore. So you motor. I suspect that your mileage at cruising speed would not be measured in miles per gallon but gallons per mile. So, if you could get 1 MPG then that would be 1100 gallons at $4 per or a total of $4400 for the trip to Miami. Double that for Brazil and qudruple it for the round trip. And that 7' draft isn't going to be that great for many places in the islands. On the other post you were complaining of the cost of charter but you are now thinking of spending $4400 to motor to Miami? A "pilot" like you should be able to figure this out. Get real.
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Old 12-06-2011, 17:39   #15
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Re: Can You Sail (only) On This ?

being a pilot has nothing to do with sailing. as i said a few months ago, i do not know ANYTHING about sailing. and now all i know is sailing theory. i did run into a powercat that is claiming 8MPG running 6kts with one engine. i dont want to call him a liar, but it seems a bit off. i like the lagoon, but feel the need for more space. my fuel budget is quite massive, and 3000 a month would not cause a hardship for me.

that is why i asked about adding an aft cabin to the lagoon. i think i could solve my problem if that was practical, but was told it was not.
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