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sabray · 29-10-2012, 08:45

It sank and 2 people are missing

**Dockhead** · 29-10-2012, 08:49

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Originally Posted by David M

The news article said 40 MPH winds which equates to 34.8 knot winds.....really?? Something was seriously wrong and it wasn't high winds because those are not high winds.

I think the reports are that she sprung a leak, lost generator and main engine(s) power, so lost pumping ability.

She was probably laboring pretty hard in the 6 meter seas, causing the planks to work and seams to open up.

Celestialsailor · 29-10-2012, 08:50

Sounds like if she lost a prop shaft, that might have been the point of entry of the water. If it came up 10ft., it probably swamped the batteries killing the pumps. I hope that all the crew are rescued safely.

reed1v · 29-10-2012, 08:50

40 knots is cruising weather in hawaii, new zealand, cape town, and of course the north sea. horrible boat or piss poor seamanship can sink battleships. use to be a way of 'culling" captains on escorts by sailing battle groups into hurricanes. not uncommon to have a destroyer or two sink, while the battleships(the missouri for one) happily sailed along.

reed1v · 29-10-2012, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Dockhead

I think the reports are that she sprung a leak, lost generator and main engine(s) power, so lost pumping ability.

She was probably laboring pretty hard in the 6 meter seas, causing the planks to work and seams to open up.

she was just hauled out at boothbay shipyard for examination and sprucing up. hull sure looked sound when i wandered around it. at 2 feet per hour flooding, surprised they did not have emergency backup pumps.

boasun · 29-10-2012, 08:57

As the saying goes: Never get underway in Foul Weather.

But if you are far offshore and caught in a storm or worst. You can sail to safety if your vessel can handle the pounding from the seas. On the west side of the eye put the wind on your stbd bow, note the course and sail away from the eye. If on the East side put the wind on your stbd quarter, note the course and sail it. This is true in the Northern Hemisphere.

Now that Capt(?) was told to meet the schedule put out by the Head office. And he elected to follow company's orders instead of seeking a safe berth in the harbor he was in, shows him to be a true company man and a terrible Capt.

cheoah · 29-10-2012, 09:08

Winds were still force 9+ last night off Hatteras, while winds were a good bit less farther north at Duck - closer to the storm. There was definitely some Hatteras effect going on, no telling what the sea state was like. Sounds like the ship could have fared well if everything was working well, but that wasn't the case.

rockerdar · 29-10-2012, 09:26

This is terrible to hear! My husband and I rented the HMS Bounty for an evening and were married on it in St. Petersburg, Florida a number of years ago. It was a wonderful locale for sailors. My husband and one of his friends (late in the evening) decided to have a race up the mast. The crew didn't realize all of our guests were sailors and really freaked out, chasing the guys up and telling them to return to deck. They invited us all to leave not too long after that!! Boys will be boys!

perchance · 29-10-2012, 09:29

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Originally Posted by zeehag

crew didnt make the orders but followed--is brave to follow orders into a hellstorm and trying to find way around--captain made bad decision, but that doesnt mean crew wasnt brave to follow orders as per job description. mutiny didnt happen.
crew didnt make the orders, captain did--is a difference-- crew was brave.

The unsung heroes in all this are the Coasties that risk their lives time and again to save our sorry asses when we step in it whether intentional or not.

Any time you sign on for a voyage you put your life in the hands of the Captain and the ship he/she commands.
The Bounty was over 50 years old and no matter how diligent the maintenance she may have been well beyond her "best before" date for the conditions she encountered.
Best we wait for the results of the inquiry before passing judgement.

**Paul Elliott** · 29-10-2012, 10:00

We saw the Bounty in 2008, heading up the coast from San Francisco in some pretty uncomfortable weather:

She was sailing to Victoria B.C. to participate in a Tall Ships event, and I had stopped at "Death Rock" to watch her head north. Here's some video of her a few miles offshore, north of Bodega Bay, pounding in the swells: http://sailvalis.com...ilez/Bounty.mpg

A few minutes later she turned around and headed back south to Bodega Bay, anchoring there for a few days while they waited for better conditions. Here she is at anchor:

reed1v · 29-10-2012, 10:04

scuttlebutt here in boothbay is that the captain and possibly first mate went down with the ship. if so, good show. captains traditionally go down with their ships, unlike some of the scumbags recently that abandoned their ships and passengers. he may have heeded the company commanders but at least paid allegiance to the timeless demands of the sea.

Celestialsailor · 29-10-2012, 10:33

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Originally Posted by reed1v

scuttlebutt here in boothbay is that the captain and possibly first mate went down with the ship. if so, good show. captains traditionally go down with their ships, unlike some of the scumbags recently that abandoned their ships and passengers. he may have heeded the company commanders but at least paid allegiance to the timeless demands of the sea.

Are you serious?...They lost their freaking lives! So if they joined in the rescue, they would be scumbags? Get a grip please.

thompsonisland · 29-10-2012, 11:00

Wow. That's the word in Boothbay? Are names leaking out? I was just talking to someone who did some framing work on the ship a few years ago, and he thought she looked pretty rough.