What are the rules for the sailboat setup for leaving the country/open waters?

[joseph221980]

I don't know if they even change as far as the must have items on the boat for sailing in open waters or leaving the country. Does the standard rules change? I'm not talking about paperwork just boat items/setup.

[cal40john]

Unless you've been sailing in a bay with an opening less than 2 miles across and have not been carrying VDS, the rules don't change.
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What is a variable is "manifestly unsafe voyage". Your vessel might be fine for one type of voyage but not another.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/177.07

(f) Designated manifestly unsafe for a specific voyage on a specific body of water due to:

(1) Unsuitable design or configuration, or

(2) Improper construction or inadequate material condition, or

An example -
https://military.id.me/humor/coast-g...er-back-shore/

[StuM]

Originally Posted by cal40john

An example -
https://military.id.me/humor/coast-g...er-back-shore/

Or search Cruisers Forum for Flyin Hawaiian

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by StuM

Or search Cruisers Forum for Flyin Hawaiian

Or if you can stomach it, Sailing Anarchy where there was an endless critique (gentle word) of that vessel and its designer, constructor and skipper (another kinda unearned word).

It was the quintessential train wreck, quite visible well in advance!

Jim

[h20man]

Originally Posted by StuM

Or search Cruisers Forum for Flyin Hawaiian

Actually.. the Flyin Hawaiian, whilst appearing to be a manifestly unsafe vessel departed San Francisco Bay on the way to Hawaii without any Coast Guard Intervention. Most participants on the Infamous Flyin Hawaiian thread thought the Coast Guard should have stopped them. A famous quote from the thread called the Flyin Hawaiian a "Fractal Mistake".

The Coast Guard was only involved in rescuing the occupants of the Flyin Hawaiian during its eventual sinking.


The story of the Flyin Hawaiian is Legendary... amazing.. unbelievable... tragic...



It would be a super book/movie... Read the epic thread... when you have some time...

[HeinSdL]

Originally Posted by h20man

Actually.. the Flyin Hawaiian, whilst appearing to be a manifestly unsafe vessel departed San Francisco Bay on the way to Hawaii without any Coast Guard Intervention. Most participants on the Infamous Flyin Hawaiian thread thought the Coast Guard should have stopped them. A famous quote from the thread called the Flyin Hawaiian a "Fractal Mistake".

The Coast Guard was only involved in rescuing the occupants of the Flyin Hawaiian during its eventual sinking.


The story of the Flyin Hawaiian is Legendary... amazing.. unbelievable... tragic...



It would be a super book/movie... Read the epic thread... when you have some time...

Second that. It was one of the most engaging and exciting online reads I have experienced.

[s/v Moondancer]

It is about seamanship, 'the ability to get a boat from A to B' However far apart A&B might be.

Seamanship is multifactorial... knowledge, planning, sailing skill, judgment, weather lore, a capable boat set up for the passage planned and above all the ability to make every element as safe as possible while still crossing the bay or crossing the ocean efficiently.

[Fore and Aft]

NZ has category 1 standards for NZ yacht's leaving their shores. But in saying that yacht Silver Shadow left our Wellington boat yard in 1994 fitted out to cat 1 standards and the crew had to get rescued half way to Fiji due to a monster Storm that claimed 3 lives and 7 yachts.
Then on the other hand I have surveyed yachts in Bundaberg that have crossed the Pacific that followed no rules or standards of a seaworthy vessel and yet have made it here.
I think you have to make your own judgement call and decide how well you set up your yacht before you leave.
Cheers

[Tom and Maje]

I can tell you what I insisted on before we left the States for the Caribbean, making sure the rigging was in good shape, self-inflating life jackets, a life raft, AIS (send and receive), MOB divice, EPIRB, enough food and water to get from point A to point B, extra fuel, meds, first aid kit, and an SSB. That was on tip of the chart plotter, pilot books, paper charts, and auto pilot. Now that was a while ago, and there is new technology. Before crossing the Atlantic, I had a much longer list.

Maje

[boatman61]

The UK has no rules..
Up till now its been a matter of personal responsibility.

[lvictorlucas]

Be careful with cash as in some US states (especially FL) the law can make you prove where you got it and spend years in court with lawyers doing it (they don't have to have any reason to take the money, look up civil forfeiture,. This is why few people even contest it. Also be aware more than $10,000 is subject to federal censure and forfeit with prison time even if you spend years in court and prove it was legal, so fill out all the federal forms.

[joseph221980]

Originally Posted by lvictorlucas

Be careful with cash as in some US states (especially FL) the law can make you prove where you got it and spend years in court with lawyers doing it (they don't have to have any reason to take the money, look up civil forfeiture,. This is why few people even contest it. Also be aware more than $10,000 is subject to federal censure and forfeit with prison time even if you spend years in court and prove it was legal, so fill out all the federal forms.

Have you or know of others that have had bank card problems? I'd also rather be safe than sorry.

[roland stockham]

The wonderful thing about sailing is that it is generally up to you. There are few rules. That means you have to take responsibility for yourself and everyone on board. Lots of advice and training to help you but nobody saying you 'have to do it this way'.

[Kiwi.]

Here's a link to the New Zealand Cat 1 rules. Well worth a read even if not going anywhere near NZ. https://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/resour...ling-2017-2020

[chrisr]

i use offshore racing standards as a place to start, and then adjust as i feel suitable. the actual govt regs for going offshore are negligible

but will echo moondancer : by far the most important factor is seamanship...having the experience to make a judgement and decide for yourself

cheers,