38 Ft Catamaran hull & interior for cheap? Bankrupt manufacturer

[haiqu]

Originally Posted by Triton

Hi all cat hull is a schionning wilderness. Not kit, one piece mould GRP hull and deck, all interior mould in place smooth gel coat finish so no interior build required . 25K US . My invested interest is to get the guys to build one hull for me. So do i throw the molds in the dump when im done , i think that would be a waste to all the owner builders on a tight budget like myself. Sorry for not answering all Qs hope this makesis clearer. Im building for weekend island use in Australia outbord version.
Cheers
Tony
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Hi Tony,

I assume the US$25k includes your purchase of the moulds, so any more made could share that cost, right? Is this the Wilderness 1120 (for research purposes)?

How do you plan to get it back to Australia, and what are your thoughts on import duty and GST? Shipping it as a bare mould and finishing in Australia could have some serious taxation advantages, especially if you already own suitable used masts/sails/engine/instruments as I do.

An idea of the finish level would also be really useful. Are we talking about a bare glass hull only or interior trim and paint done? It would be advantageous to get as much completed at these cheap labour rates as possible of course.

Rob

[haiqu]

Originally Posted by fcftampa

So, the factory closed but manpower is available. What about oversight of labor, cost accounting and decision making for the little day to day details?

It would sound more interesting if there was a prototype built under regular and documented conditions. A boat that was built and fitted; where issues are dealt with and reviewable in a detailed log; that would show viability.

Sounds like Tony is going ahead regardless, all he has to do is document that build for anyone who follows. Now we just need to figure out where he went ...

[haiqu]

Just downloaded the study plans here: Wilderness 1120X

A full set of plans costs AU$9,900.00

Eek!

[nuvaslacker]

Originally Posted by haiqu

Just downloaded the study plans here: Wilderness 1120X

A full set of plans costs AU$9,900.00

Eek!

Though the increased secondhand value of a pukka documented Schionning would probably make up at least that sum.

[bluebox3000]

Originally Posted by nuvaslacker

Though the increased secondhand value of a pukka documented Schionning would probably make up at least that sum.

I would think it would be worth every dollar..

Note the therms on Schionning's website. One can not use his plans without consent.

[ozzieKochie]

Anybody been able to get hold of Tony? I have PM'd him as I might be interested in looking into this further.
I presume he is busy fitting out his new CAT he cant find the time to respond to us!
I am presuming that if the company went into insolvency, there could be a possible way of utilizing their approval to use the Schionning design, or a fee that has to be paid for design usage?

[vuilbaard]

i started building boats with my dad at age 4.

been at it ever since. Completing a 32foot proa, with pilothouse, and a 42 foot horstman trimaran now.


hulls are the cheap part.

rule of thumb is that 2/3 of all time is in the 'finishing' which is all systems other than structure. And 3/5 of all the money is in the 'finishing'.

so hulls are the cheap part.

when doing calcs for cost, think in EEU or 'engine equivalent units'. So, an engine 30hp new self install for 13k US $ at the moment.

THen minimum is 2 engines for mast sails rigging.
1 engine for (steering, handling, navigation)
1 engine for (interior finish carpentry, and fitting of piping et al - labor component)
1 engine for (cooking/heating/sanitation et al =the 'house' part of the boat)
1 engine (or nearly) for ground tackle, safety, et al
1 engine for dingy/tender and its motor.

you see, them EEU's add up quick. And note that hulls, are about 1.3 engines....

[bluebox3000]

Originally Posted by vuilbaard

i started building boats with my dad at age 4.

been at it ever since. Completing a 32foot proa, with pilothouse, and a 42 foot horstman trimaran now.


hulls are the cheap part.

rule of thumb is that 2/3 of all time is in the 'finishing' which is all systems other than structure. And 3/5 of all the money is in the 'finishing'.

so hulls are the cheap part.

when doing calcs for cost, think in EEU or 'engine equivalent units'. So, an engine 30hp new self install for 13k US $ at the moment.

THen minimum is 2 engines for mast sails rigging.
1 engine for (steering, handling, navigation)
1 engine for (interior finish carpentry, and fitting of piping et al - labor component)
1 engine for (cooking/heating/sanitation et al =the 'house' part of the boat)
1 engine (or nearly) for ground tackle, safety, et al
1 engine for dingy/tender and its motor.

you see, them EEU's add up quick. And note that hulls, are about 1.3 engines....

I think you are right on the cost. The appealing part here is the time saving factor saving years of fiberglass work, fairing etc.

[haiqu]

Originally Posted by ozzieKochie

Anybody been able to get hold of Tony? I have PM'd him as I might be interested in looking into this further.
I presume he is busy fitting out his new CAT he cant find the time to respond to us!
I am presuming that if the company went into insolvency, there could be a possible way of utilizing their approval to use the Schionning design, or a fee that has to be paid for design usage?

The company owns the approval, not the employees he's using to build one.

This looks decidedly dodgy at present until we get some clarification.

[ozzieKochie]

Originally Posted by haiqu

The company owns the approval, not the employees he's using to build one.

This looks decidedly dodgy at present until we get some clarification.

Haiqu

I would have thought the administrators would look amicably on being able to recover a fee for a couple of hulls being made under the license.

Let's wait and see, I am sure Tony will update us on how the whole process has gone.


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[ozzieKochie]

Does anybody know what happened to this? I sent a PM but have not received any feedback. Not sure what to think of it now.


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[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by ozzieKochie

Does anybody know what happened to this? I sent a PM but have not received any feedback. Not sure what to think of it now.


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My bet is reality set in.

Maybe he ran the numbers and found out there wasn't nearly as much savings as he thought or the designer contacted him and let him know how much it was going to cost for use fees. Maybe the designer didn't even want his design associated with a potentially substandard build.