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Old 22-03-2024, 12:28   #1
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My wife and I have narrowed our boat search to Hylas 46's and Tayana 48's. We are looking for a blue water cruiser with a pullman berth and bow head in addition to a walk around master.

It needs to be a cutter with good tankage and blue water manners.

I just came across this one and it seems like a jewel. What are your thoughts? It seems to be a little light on tankage and the cockpit seems a little small. Other than those very minor gripes, it seems perfect.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/199...ckpit-9222479/
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Old 22-03-2024, 14:45   #2
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Raised boom makes it look like a Lagoon catamaran from the side. You can always add tankage (even flexible tanks work) or perhaps a water maker. The gear box forward of the mast looks like a candidate for getting washed overboard.
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Old 22-03-2024, 15:41   #3
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Absolutely lovely, I can see the asking price, but grabs me as a family/friends/party-friendly "bay boat", not one I'd want for extended/numerous offshore journeys.
Cockpit size is good, seats look long enough to sleep on. The curved sides in the cockpit wheel well will be uncomfortable to brace your feet on during steep tacks/rough weather.
Keel is a looong way from the rudder, so either the prop is also a looong way from the rudder or the prop shaft is loong, personally I dislike both. Rudder only has a partial skeg, not for me for offshore.
Isn't obvious if the keel is bolted on or fully encapsulated, long-term offshore I would only want fully encapsulated.
Engine looks like a b!tch to work on, not your problem if the people you pay to work on it do good work.
Just my personal opinions, and I only have a few thousand offshore km under my keel. Regardless, given a choice between my Good Olde Boat and that beautiful boat, I choose mine.
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Old 22-03-2024, 18:41   #4
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The only drawback to that boat is I can’t afford to buy it
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Old 22-03-2024, 21:10   #5
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Well, somebody spent half a fortune turning the lifelines/stanchions into a perimeter storage system, I would hope a big one wouldn't wash it all away.
Decent galley where you're not forced to stand directly in front of the stove.
Decent nav station.
The saloon? plain and simple it sucks, the one settee is short, and worse it's curved.
It has lots of room, but no place to stretch-out/relax/sleep/take a nap.
The starboard "chairs"? I suppose they're useful in port to watch a movie on a big screen, but a waste otherwise.
The engine? as has been mentioned, it appears to be a servicing/repairing nightmare.
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Old 22-03-2024, 21:15   #6
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Re: Opinions on this boat?

If the photos are current the boat appears to be very well kept up both above and below deck. Joinery looks very nice, too.

However the cockpit enclosure is soooo ugly and has sooo much windage. Ick IMO. Yes, I know that it offers good protection from wind and water and makes a nice "extra room", but what an awful thing to do to an otherwise pretty boat. It also appears that its support structure blocks one from making full turns on the secondary winch(s)... something that would drive me crazy. And visibility in the photos does not look good, but that could be an artifact of the photography, so I dunno. Getting in and out of the cockpit when heeling and bouncing might be an athletic event for a future olympics!

The interior is handsome, but wtf? Huge settee and opposing seat, but the table is tiny! Where do you put your plates when serving anywhere near the number of folks you can seat... or even more than a couple? And where are the sea berths? I don't see anywhere that would be a good resting place at sea.

Engine and generator access looks pretty poor to me... pity the poor bloke who has to do even routine servicing on either. And consider that you sometimes need access while at sea...

You say something about good "blue water manners" which implies that you intend to make serious passages in her. I'd be thinking carefully about whether all the features of this boat add or detract from that goal.

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Old 23-03-2024, 06:01   #7
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Very nice looking boat. I keep looking for another table.

Is this a table?


Is this a table?


Also, a built in full height china/wine glass cabinet seems like a questionable use of space. I guess with 50 ft there’s lots of space.
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Old 23-03-2024, 08:51   #8
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Bow head turns into antigravity chamber, forward Pullman unusable at sea on my boat.
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Old 23-03-2024, 09:15   #9
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Anything built by Ta Shing is a big plus in my book.

They make these broker ads so complicated you cant find real info except financing info anymore. Never did find the details.

I've had a bow head and pullman berth. Really didnt like it. Especially the Pullman. You think crawling out of a V berth is hard?... wait until you have to crawl out of a Pullman getting over your partner while banging your head on the underside of the deck! Not to mention the lack of air/breeze in the pullman.
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Old 23-03-2024, 09:27   #10
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Very nice looking boat. I keep looking for another table.

Is this a table?


Is this a table?


Also, a built in full height china/wine glass cabinet seems like a questionable use of space. I guess with 50 ft there’s lots of space.

One big container of broken glass when the big wave hits...
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Old 23-03-2024, 10:03   #11
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You didn't state your desired cruising locations or how many crew, so hard to know if she is fit for your purposes.

Some positives I see:
+ Moderate hull lines, keel
+ Interior looks lovely!
+ Owner has kept her in good shape, though photos of mechanical spaces are few.
+ 1,000 watts of solar
+ Cutter
+ Watermaker means water tanks are plenty big enough
+ Low engine hours
+ Alpenglow lights are awesome
+ Refrigeration system received attention
+ Reasonably updated electronics
+ Very well outfitted
+ Fire suppression system
+ New main
+ Custom mast & boom (could also be a negative)

And some drawbacks:
- That forward angle on the dodger/bimini
- Diesel tankage
- Ground tackle (chain sizing and SS anchor)
- Access to mechanical systems for maintenance
- Vertical liferaft storage
- Birdell Flipper radar reflector
- AGM batteries (but lots of capacity)
- Didn't see a clothes washer?
- Lots to maintain!
- Do you want AC?
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Re: Opinions on this boat?

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My wife and I have narrowed our boat search to Hylas 46's and Tayana 48's. We are looking for a blue water cruiser with a pullman berth and bow head in addition to a walk around master.

It needs to be a cutter with good tankage and blue water manners.

cockpit seems a little small.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/199...ckpit-9222479/
Bold areas are not as blue water as you may think - except the cockpit - smaller is better. You'll need some sort of sea berth, as mentioned foreword head is useless offshore (good storage for sails).

this is 13k heavier than the Hylas, different boats....
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as mentioned foreword head is useless offshore (good storage for sails).
I keep hearing this, but have never owned a boat with a forward head. Why can't you just turn downwind when someone needs to use the head?

Apologies for the thread drift.
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I keep hearing this, but have never owned a boat with a forward head. Why can't you just turn downwind when someone needs to use the head?

Apologies for the thread drift.
Maybe rocks downwind. Use the aft head instead.
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Old 23-03-2024, 15:53   #15
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Looks like a great boat to impress your business contacts when you invite them to the dock for drinks... Just add a couple of cut-glass decanters.
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