Large genoa on cutter: what does it mean?

[snaggletooth]

Ok. My boat is a San Juan 21 and I only have one stanchion so what choice do I have?

"The line isn't written in stone."
Oh yeah? Really?
What about ferro cement boats?

411:
That is a very different Snaggletooth. Do I really sound like that Snags?

You guys have a good thread going here, silly terminology, but no harm. Good information being exchanged. I won't muck it up anymore.

Tsai chien

[CptJ-GS50]

I have sailed with a combination of 120 to 165 Genoa's for the past 13 years on my 30' Cascade and have not sailed with a standard jib in years. However, depending on factors of the wind I will furl in the head sail reducing the size for balance or many different reasons. Now if it was not for the roller furling I may look at it in a different way. All is safely controlled from the cockpit. I would not have it any other way.

[Panope]

So what in the world do I have? Maybe it is a Cloop? (Cat-Sloop)

Steve

[snaggletooth]

Panzer;
No, you have very nice boat and I don't care what yiou want to call it.
It's a beaut.

[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by snaggletooth

That beautiful Nicholson is a ketch. It happens to be a ketch that flies a staysail inside the jib. Kind of like a sloop that flies a staysail is called a "sloop" and not a "sloop-cutter". As has been pointed out here several times by other posters just adding a staysail to a sloop does not make it a cutter. It's still a sloop. Adding a staysail to a ketch does not alter the fact that the name of that rig is still a "ketch".

Not sure this is very important to anyone but me. I'm just a stickler for correct terminology.

If you follow this link you will find my rig well represented under the search engine Cutter Ketch Images. https://www.google.com/search?q=cutt...w=1120&bih=708

For what its worth you picky bozos, the fore stay is Profurl 52 with two tracks. We can run up a second head sail in the alternate track for wing & wing with a pole. The #1 genoa, 135% stays there always. It weighs over 200 # and folds like double thick corrugated cardboard. The inner stay from the upper spreaders is permanent with a Profurl 42 also with two tracks. Its sail also stays put. I don't own a hank-on sail. No boat have ever sailed or raced had hank-on stuff. The inner staysail overlaps the mast at about 110%. All permanent stays are 3/4 inch and there are running backs to the inner fore stay and run over dedicated winches aft in the cockpit. There is a 190% code zero (new this summer) for winds less than 5 (normal summer here). There happens to be yet another permanent inner (lower) stay from the lower spreaders. There is also an AS spinnaker. You see the mizzen and mizzen staysail from the photo. My cousin happens to have the sister ship which is a sloop. We have identical 80 foot masts placed at the same location. I have an additional 48 foot mizzen placed over the ample aft deck. We sail as well to weather as most boats in the fleet and run off the wind better than most and in most conditions. I love to fly past with kite, genoa, staysail, main, mizzen staysail and mizzen all flying at once.

Photos: Roxy & African Queen (black hull)

[snaggletooth]

Originally Posted by ctl411

Hey snags things slow over at SA?

No, noyy realley

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by Panope

So what in the world do I have?

Gaffer..

[StuM]

> Maybe it is a Cloop?

A Slat ?

[savoir]

Originally Posted by Panope

So what in the world do I have? Maybe it is a Cloop? (Cat-Sloop)

Steve

That's easy . . . . a Bermuda junk

or was it a junk from Bermuda ? It was quite a while ago that I saw the movie.

Was you ever bit by a dead bee ?

[snaggletooth]

Originally Posted by savoir

Was you ever bit by a dead bee ?

Steppon'em walking barrefoot, I bette I beene bitte a hundned times that waye

[pete33458]

This is an open forum, but I'd like to make one small request that we don't ruin what has been a very useful thread by posting long series of rather irrelevant comments. I'll give the same consideration to your posts. thank you. pete

[SkiprJohn]

Originally Posted by snaggletooth

That beautiful Nicholson is a ketch. It happens to be a ketch that flies a staysail inside the jib. Kind of like a sloop that flies a staysail is called a "sloop" and not a "sloop-cutter". As has been pointed out here several times by other posters just adding a staysail to a sloop does not make it a cutter. It's still a sloop. Adding a staysail to a ketch does not alter the fact that the name of that rig is still a "ketch".

Not sure this is very important to anyone but me. I'm just a stickler for correct terminology.

I'm a bozo that happens to think you are right about this. You do seem confused about stations and stanchions but I know if you look up the definitions in a boat construction book you'll get it.

If a sailor on a cutter wishes to have a large genoa in place of a yankee and sail his boat as if it were a sloop that's their choice. I believe if a well cut yankee and a staysail (jib) were used they would sail just as well to windward and might even have better performance due to the venturi effect between foresails.

What is newly termed a cutter ketch is really a staysail ketch to us old bozos.

[snaggletooth]

a "stetch"?

[SkiprJohn]

Originally Posted by snaggletooth

a "stetch"?

I guess as long as we're making up new terms then why not? How about "stawl" as a staysail yawl. Have we done "stoop" yet?

We could start renaming other things on our boats too. My wife had a sailing friend who called the tiller a "stick thing" which makes a lot more sense don't you think?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by ctl411

No "station" is the term. Divide a boat by 10 stations. 0 is the bow waterline 10 is aft waterline. Cutters "true cutters" are at or around station 4. If the boat has a bowsprit maybe a little more forward. The line isn't written in stone.

LOLOL... just yanking chains..