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Old 30-07-2021, 18:02   #106
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who needs steps or rope ?



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Because sometimes you don't have a belay.
Because sometimes a belay is not worth the bother.
Would you get a belay if you could just to go up a stairway? Why or why not? If not, who are you to judge those who can climb a mast or a cliff far more safely than you can climb a stair?
Well, your "logic" befuddles me.
About the time you get real comfortable going aloft, that's when it happens. IMHO
Your choice though what you want to do to yourself.
If you Error on Safety's side, you may preserve your or someone else's life you care about.
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Old 31-07-2021, 03:32   #108
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Well, your "logic" befuddles me.
About the time you get real comfortable going aloft, that's when it happens. IMHO
Your choice though what you want to do to yourself.
If you Error on Safety's side, you may preserve your or someone else's life you care about.
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How many people do you know of who have fallen from aloft because they had no belay?
Do you know how many rockclimbing accidents happen to people with ropes and gear compared to people freesoloing?
Safety gear is not foolproof, and is no substitute for experience and competence. I'd rather be responsible for someone with the confidence to do things un-belayed than the weenie who can't get both feet off the ground without a panoply of ropes and winches and helmets and slings.
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Old 31-07-2021, 05:13   #109
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How many people do you know of who have fallen from aloft because they had no belay?
Do you know how many rockclimbing accidents happen to people with ropes and gear compared to people freesoloing?
Safety gear is not foolproof, and is no substitute for experience and competence. I'd rather be responsible for someone with the confidence to do things un-belayed than the weenie who can't get both feet off the ground without a panoply of ropes and winches and helmets and slings.
When you just trust the safety gear implicitly is when all the accidents I have personally heard about happening, happened. I know two people who climbed an auto belay wall freesolo because they just forgot to clip in. Implicit trust in the safety equipment, no belay partner to double check with. One panicked halfway up and broke his pelvis unfortunately.

I don't personally know anyone who has gotten hurt using one but I don't consider a bosun's chair a "safety device". I'll stick to my coming harness thanks.

If I had mast steps I'd climb my mast in a second freesolo, with less trepidation than climbing an extension ladder. If I was doing any length of work aloft, I'd want to clip in for comfort (a seat) and peace of mind. Right now I use jumar/ascenders on two separate halyards fixed in place. I grab halyards all season long for anyone at my marina that asks. My personal level of risk. Freedom is great.

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How many people do you know of who have fallen from aloft because they had no belay?
Do you know how many rockclimbing accidents happen to people with ropes and gear compared to people freesoloing?
Safety gear is not foolproof, and is no substitute for experience and competence. I'd rather be responsible for someone with the confidence to do things un-belayed than the weenie who can't get both feet off the ground without a panoply of ropes and winches and helmets and slings.
A Weenie?
What else!
Silly egos.
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