EVE vs. Winston? 60% price difference

[s/v Jedi]

In case you guys missed this: those brand new grade A Eve cells are 2+ years old when you receive them. Of course you don’t believe me and want proof: go see the latest video from that offgrid garage guy in Australia

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

In case you guys missed this: those brand new grade A Eve cells are 2+ years old when you receive them. Of course you don’t believe me and want proof: go see the latest video from that offgrid garage guy in Australia

Strange
LF280k came into production mid 2021
How could they possibly be 2 years old?

[more]

Originally Posted by wholybee

Some people (myself included) don't believe that you can actually buy grade A EVE cells. The grade A cells go to the EV market in China, and those that don't meet grade A spec are sold to secondary markets.

Quality can vary alot, depending on how the purchased cells failed to meet spec. It might be a negligible difference. It might be a significant difference that you won't notice for a few years, and the cells might have problems from day one.

Nobody from small EU company with 1000 employer can buy Grade A EVE cells.
only chinses car factory with couple year contract can do this. My friend from rimac car be in couple factory and now is in work in rimac chinese lithium factory. in reality in boat we dont need CAR spec battery. car need C30 and more , on boat from C0,005 c/20 to c/100

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

In case you guys missed this: those brand new grade A Eve cells are 2+ years old when you receive them. Of course you don’t believe me and want proof: go see the latest video from that offgrid garage guy in Australia

He also bought his cells from Shenzen Basen
There have been reports here about dodgy dealings for a while
Thankfully, not all sellers are the same

https://diysolarforum.com/threads/ev...ertised.18574/

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Originally Posted by Simi 60

He also bought his cells from Shenzen Basen
There have been reports here about dodgy dealings for a while
Thankfully, not all sellers are the same

https://diysolarforum.com/threads/ev...ertised.18574/

in reality this chinses battery assembler explain all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJlL-oX7oWM

chinses,russian (and other communist state where lying is deep in society) people don't understand west people and customer. don't lying and you have customer for all different quality product. from Grade A to grade z.
Winston Calb is 50 +% more expensive and i use this on my boat. without any BMS on battery now 4 year. on home i use 310 AH eve(reality is 290 ah)
but i pay before 4 year 8x200 ah winston cell +- from memory 3000€ + tax
before 2 month i recive 16 x 310ah eva cells 1500€ with tax(chinese declare 1 cell 1€ i think so) but EVA cels need BMS.

in october i again on new boat buy winston cells 60% more money is nothing
ws quality receive. and winston cell dont need any BMS if you charge with solar regulator who have lifepo4 setup. for safty reson is good have active balancer 2-5A

all winston for example The monolithic 12V batteries do not have any PCM (any electronics) inside. They consist of finely balanced cells with identical perfomace.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by more

in reality this chinses battery assembler explain all


chinses,russian (and other communist state where lying is deep in society) people don't understand west people and customer. don't lying and you have customer for all different quality product. from Grade A to grade z..

So says you
While I have experienced this I would not be so myopic as to tar all with the same brush

Winston Calb is 50 +% more expensive and i use this on my boat. without any BMS on battery now 4 year

Hold on, you just told us all that China, Russia and other communist states are liars.
Perhaps you should educate yourself as to where Winston and Calb come from.

. on home i use 310 AH eve(reality is 290 ah)

And we use 280ah EVE and all tested higher at around 290ah

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Originally Posted by Simi 60

So says you
While I have experienced this I would not be so myopic as to tar all with the same brush




Hold on, you just told us all that China, Russia and other communist states are liars.
Perhaps you should educate yourself as to where Winston and Calb come from.

i know winston,calb is Chinese's company, but Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
normaly of course there are honest companies everywhere, even in China maybe in russia.

for me trustworthy Reputations For Producing Quality product

#1 Germany
#2 Japan
#3 Italy
#4 Korea
#5 Sweden
#6 Switzerland
#7 France
#8 Made in EU
#9 nobody open eyes

Not telling the truth was reinforced by a Soviet system that lied consistently to their people. The Soviet system lied to manipulate, maintain control and create fear and submission. The government could not admit any flaws, and if errors occurred they were instantly denied because they would reveal intolerable weaknesses.
During Soviet times, people often lied just to stay alive. If a parent or spouse was arrested and declared an enemy of the state, the remaining family members often changed their names and lied to obtain false documents to obtain food, a place to live, education or a job. Lying became a standard means of survival to protect oneself or a loved one.
read more
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2012/...pastime-a18754

[Simi 60]

People , businesses and governments lie everywhere
Do your own research.
And stop trying to divide the world

[captianjuan]

even batteries are political now. haha. having lived in china and experiencing much of the country, I have to agree. quality control there its quite dynamic. and the government knows well how to break people. anyway, the point is. all these battery companies come from china. sounds like Winston has a reputation for quality and most of the other ones are a bit of a roll of the dice, but then again calb and eve are getting a lot of positive feedback. im thinking buying the eves and repowering in 4 years with improved tech and lower prices could be a better move then to be sitting on Winstons for 10 years.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by more

i know winston,calb is Chinese's company, but Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
normaly of course there are honest companies everywhere, even in China maybe in russia.

for me trustworthy Reputations For Producing Quality product

#1Germany
#2Japan
#3Italy
#4Korea
#5Sweden
#6 Switzerland
#7France
#8Made in EU
#9nobody open eyes

Not telling the truth was reinforced by a Soviet system that lied consistently to their people. The Soviet system lied to manipulate, maintain control and create fear and submission. The government could not admit any flaws, and if errors occurred they were instantly denied because they would reveal intolerable weaknesses.
During Soviet times, people often lied just to stay alive. If a parent or spouse was arrested and declared an enemy of the state, the remaining family members often changed their names and lied to obtain false documents to obtain food, a place to live, education or a job. Lying became a standard means of survival to protect oneself or a loved one.
read more
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2012/...pastime-a18754

Sure but at least the sitting presidents there didn’t incite an attempted coup

Lying is endemic everywhere how many products sold in the US are basically made in China anyway

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by more

i know winston,calb is Chinese's company, but Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
normaly of course there are honest companies everywhere, even in China maybe in russia.

for me trustworthy Reputations For Producing Quality product

#1Germany
#2Japan
#3Italy
#4Korea
#5Sweden
#6 Switzerland
#7France
#8Made in EU
#9nobody open eyes

Not telling the truth was reinforced by a Soviet system that lied consistently to their people. The Soviet system lied to manipulate, maintain control and create fear and submission. The government could not admit any flaws, and if errors occurred they were instantly denied because they would reveal intolerable weaknesses.
During Soviet times, people often lied just to stay alive. If a parent or spouse was arrested and declared an enemy of the state, the remaining family members often changed their names and lied to obtain false documents to obtain food, a place to live, education or a job. Lying became a standard means of survival to protect oneself or a loved one.
read more
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2012/...pastime-a18754

I’d place France well above 7 , their engineering is first class as are their aircraft.

[CaptainRivet]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I’d place France well above 7 , their engineering is first class as are their aircraft.

No 99999 on that list….just finished repairing my FP Lavezzi over 7 month with one of the best fiberglass specialist available…additionally fixed a long list of construction, production and fabrication defects along the way of these French „geniuses“

[CaptainRivet]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

In case you guys missed this: those brand new grade A Eve cells are 2+ years old when you receive them. Of course you don’t believe me and want proof: go see the latest video from that offgrid garage guy in Australia

Well Australia….mine Lishen where 6 month old and counting 3 month delivery that’s ok.

[CaptainRivet]

Originally Posted by captianjuan

even batteries are political now. haha. having lived in china and experiencing much of the country, I have to agree. quality control there its quite dynamic. and the government knows well how to break people. anyway, the point is. all these battery companies come from china. sounds like Winston has a reputation for quality and most of the other ones are a bit of a roll of the dice, but then again calb and eve are getting a lot of positive feedback. im thinking buying the eves and repowering in 4 years with improved tech and lower prices could be a better move then to be sitting on Winstons for 10 years.

Well if you get any in 4 years…looking at the situation now take what you get…
and there won‘t be more and better out there for sure in 4 years, nothing big is in the pipeline that’s indicating that but a lot resource problems and inflation driving prieces up…in 4 years an eve costs as much as a Winston now if you ask me….

[s/v Jedi]

Ah not believe it… yours are brand new?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTScEZA0hxM