AUS: Heterosexual rape and abuse alleged with Crewbay and Find-a-Crew

[NevilleCat]

Originally Posted by Allied39

Other than boredom and entertainment I can see no reason for this post.
Some folks are stupid, some folks are scum, a lot of folks are a mix.....and of course there's a few decent folk out there too. All interacting with differing results.
So?
Seems this forum is pretty quiet on some pretty questionable behavior from what I have seen, why even debate this. Doh...boredom and entertainment, LOL, so sorry, my bad.

Yay, thanks for your contribution and keeping the post alive then....😉

[Uncle Bob]

Just like to point out that this is not a problem solely in Australia, there are members of the Sole family distributed worldwide.

[Singularity]

Originally Posted by Sailor Sailor

Roughly half the population in prison are or would be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder. Essentially, criminality is part of the diagnosis. Recognizing that is not disservice to those who suffer from other types of mental illness.

Antisocial Personality Disorder is not a legal defense; that does not mean they would be found not guilty by reason of insanity. They know damn well what they are doing. They just disregard the rights, feelings or concerns of their victims.

Rape is the perfect manifestation of their disorder.

These are not people who are unfriendly or don't socialize. In fact, quite the opposite, they are the charming conman or conwoman using people for their own ends, without regard to the victim's well-being. They are "Antisocial" because of their disregard for their fellow human beings, not because they do not interact with other people.

You seem to be confusing anti-personality disorder with narcissistic disorders.

Anti-social disorder people have demonstrably different brain structure in those areas associated with their deficits: little/no empathy, little/no impulse control, little/no remorse. People are objects. No self-esteem radar screen on their bridge. Not fun to be around unless you're looking to get drunk or hold up a bank. A bludgeon predator.

Narcissists have an extra-ordinary abundance of people-reading skills in realms that require empathy coupled with an ever-sharpening capacity for impulse control. They have self-esteem issues coupled with remorse...self-esteem and remorse problems that are transiently ameliorated by finding their next victim (but from an outsider's view they demonstrate positive self-esteem, seemingly have no remorse, and treat people like objects). Fun to be around as they take advantage of you. A super predator.

APD = kid who pulls wings of flies, kills cats as a kid, never owned a dog that lived
Narcissists = kid who grows up to be a lawyer

[HeinSdL]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Oddly, it can work both ways. I took on crew for a delivery that I was making. She was young. She was marginally attractive. I was married (to an incredibly beautiful woman).

The incredibly beautiful bit surely is redundant since you were married to her? ;-) Assuming of course you are not just referring to her looks.

[Sailor Sailor]

Originally Posted by Singularity

You seem to be confusing anti-personality disorder with narcissistic disorders....

APD = kid who pulls wings of flies, kills cats as a kid, never owned a dog that lived
Narcissists = kid who grows up to be a lawyer

I quoted the DSM-5 characteristics. Your viewpoint is out-of-date. DSM-5 no longer includes narcissism as a personality disorder.

And you are wrong about Antisocial Personality Disorder - yes, the diagnosis superceded the sociopath diagnosis, but it is broader. Read the DSM-5 diagnosis. It includes charming conmen and conwomen who take people's money, not by stealing but voluntarily, by fraud. This is the same kind who may charm someone onto the boat as crew, then rape them or abuse them for their personal satisfaction.

So you don't like lawyers. Many do not. Yes, it takes drive, determination, brains, and self-confidence to become one.

We bring much needed critical-thinking skills to the table, which makes us distasteful to some, especially the con artists, scammers, and obvious frauds of the world whom we question and expose. (That is why we may sometimes violate the "Be Nice" rule - the scammers of the world want "Be Nice" all the time as their cover.)

[davil]

Originally Posted by Sailor Sailor

I quoted the DSM-5 characteristics. Your viewpoint is out-of-date. DSM-5 no longer includes narcissism as a personality disorder.

And you are wrong about Antisocial Personality Disorder - yes, the diagnosis superceded the sociopath diagnosis, but it is broader. Read the DSM-5 diagnosis. It includes charming conmen and conwomen who take people's money, not by stealing but voluntarily, by fraud. This is the same kind who may charm someone onto the boat as crew, then rape them or abuse them for their personal satisfaction.

So you don't like lawyers. Many do not. Yes, it takes drive, determination, brains, and self-confidence to become one.

We bring much needed critical-thinking skills to the table, which makes us distasteful to some, especially the con artists, scammers, and obvious frauds of the world whom we question and expose. (That is why we may sometimes violate the "Be Nice" rule - the scammers of the world want "Be Nice" all the time as their cover.)

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Me bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off Topic

this is an attempt to brighten up the screen and my extreme sense of boredom as the weather interferes on my schedule to finish the never ending list of projects before living for the Bahamas.

Also, I have being counseled by the moderator I need to label my postings as intended humor, such as this.

Google source
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[thomm225]

Lawyers aren't all bad.

A few make pretty good writers.

This is a very good book by Corban Addison, and there's sailing involved and piracy. (RTW Trip)

https://ij.org/client/corban-addison-klug/

[Cruising Roo]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

Alan Mighty I am not surprised this happens. A friend of mine became a player on the internet dating sites trying to mend a broken heart after a bad divorce. He said to me forget stranger danger, woman were more than happy to go to his house to party even though they had no idea who he was. Having never dated since the internet it's hard to get my head around the trust some people have from just electronic communication.
I have definitely met some skippers I would not want my daughter to sail with. Their predator vibe they give of in person is way harder to hide. The worst skippers pull out a conquest album and you can't help but feel it's so creepy and surely not all of these women were willing participants.
When you think about it a yacht is the perfect way to commit a sexual crime and then sail to another country and repeat the pattern all over again. New port, new crowd of friends and no one the wiser to your past.

Cheers

Hello my friend. Like you, even as a 60 year old, this is nothing but bloody just wrong. My advice albeit it maybe with an element of ignorance is that NO ONE should take on this venture without a very clear "self reservation" mentality and set up, ensure the skipper knows this and have a regular check in with a friend and if you are from overseas and do not know anyone, I have no doubt that our dead set awesome Aussie Coast guard would be happy to be your little bit of insurance and there will be other options along the same vein for international travel but it is terrible that this needs to happen. Darren

[aberglas]

I am sure that this happens occasionally, and some girls get raped, which is terrible.


However, be aware this was in The Guardian, which will exaggerate any sexual misconduct claims. Being propositioned is not being raped.


I would tell my daughter to make sure they have a good video chat with the skipper first, ask lots of questions, check references and the boat name, and not do a long passage straight off. That said, go and have a great sail.

[Cruising Roo]

Agreed. Some common sense needs to be applied in ALL situations. Sadly innocent people have been incorrectly charged but EQUALLY, many reprehensible people have got away with it. That is my "2 bobs" opinion...(Iam from Australia)

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by Singularity

You seem to be confusing anti-personality disorder with narcissistic disorders.

Anti-social disorder people have demonstrably different brain structure in those areas associated with their deficits: little/no empathy, little/no impulse control, little/no remorse. People are objects. No self-esteem radar screen on their bridge. Not fun to be around unless you're looking to get drunk or hold up a bank. A bludgeon predator.

Narcissists have an extra-ordinary abundance of people-reading skills in realms that require empathy coupled with an ever-sharpening capacity for impulse control. They have self-esteem issues coupled with remorse...self-esteem and remorse problems that are transiently ameliorated by finding their next victim (but from an outsider's view they demonstrate positive self-esteem, seemingly have no remorse, and treat people like objects). Fun to be around as they take advantage of you. A super predator.

APD = kid who pulls wings of flies, kills cats as a kid, never owned a dog that lived
Narcissists = kid who grows up to be a lawyer

Sounds like bunches of politicians the world over

[Adelie]

Thread seems to be wandering off of cruising related topics.