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gutochiele · 05-07-2021, 11:41

A question to my friends in Europe!

Hello everybody! I'm a long time lurker here

I live aboard a Cal 9.2 and I work in South America, inside a Marina as a freelancer, with boat detailing, mainly sailboats. I do cleaning, inox polishing, waxing, and starting to do upholstery and other sewing jobs, etc. We make a pretty decent living here, but me and my wife are thinking to sell tjr boat here and move to Europe to face some new challenges and get to know new places and people (i have an european passport, but never been there).

I speak english, spanish, italian and portuguese.

So my question is, do you guys think we can get by doing this kind of jobs in europe? Which places do you think is best for this? More boats? Are people receptive for this kind of professionals?

The places we were thinking initially: Alicante region in Spain, Genova and the Riviera, or the tuscan coast in Italy, or maybe even Sicilia. also tought of the Netherlands. But anyway I'm open to any kind of suggestions!

Thank you so much in advance!

Nicholson58 · 05-07-2021, 12:23

Without an EU passport I think you will find this difficult. It would likely not escape Shengen and other laws unless you can negotiate a VISA permitting you to work.

Joh.Ghurt · 05-07-2021, 12:44

In Spain, English speaking boat help who are reliable and do good work is sought after by many Germans and Brits who don't speak Spanish. Their contacts are handed from yachtie to yachtie. Just try not to be to obvious about and take away the business of the locals. I can't say whether this will be enough to make a living.

The remark about the work permit is very true and the Spanish government is very keen on catching under the table transactions - mostly by the Spaniards themselves. Tax evasion is a national past-time here. You have to decide on your own what level of risk you're willing to take.

contrail · 05-07-2021, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Nicholson58

Without an EU passport I think you will find this difficult. It would likely not escape Shengen and other laws unless you can negotiate a VISA permitting you to work.

He said he has a European passport, folks!

gutochiele · 05-07-2021, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Nicholson58

Without an EU passport I think you will find this difficult. It would likely not escape Shengen and other laws unless you can negotiate a VISA permitting you to work.

I have EU passport!

gutochiele · 05-07-2021, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Joh.Ghurt

In Spain, English speaking boat help who are reliable and do good work is sought after by many Germans and Brits who don't speak Spanish. Their contacts are handed from yachtie to yachtie. Just try not to be to obvious about and take away the business of the locals. I can't say whether this will be enough to make a living.

The remark about the work permit is very true and the Spanish government is very keen on catching under the table transactions - mostly by the Spaniards themselves. Tax evasion is a national past-time here. You have to decide on your own what level of risk you're willing to take.

Very good information, thanks for that

**boatman61** · 05-07-2021, 13:07

You can get away with it to a large extent on the water (boat at a berth), however if you try it on the hard standing your likely to be pulled up either by the Marinhieros or one of the licenced accredited workers in the B'yard.
In Spain and Portugal for example you will need a Marinhieros Blue Book which is issued by the Port Captain.

gutochiele · 06-07-2021, 08:50

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Originally Posted by boatman61

You can get away with it to a large extent on the water (boat at a berth), however if you try it on the hard standing your likely to be pulled up either by the Marinhieros or one of the licenced accredited workers in the B'yard.
In Spain and Portugal for example you will need a Marinhieros Blue Book which is issued by the Port Captain.

Good point! Going to research this blue book. Thanks

goboatingnow · 06-07-2021, 08:56

Certainly in Greece the boat brokers are hiring people if thats of interest.

The trouble with waxing and polishing etc is many boatyards will have low skilled workers for this type of activity and they’ll not take kindly to you appearing on the scene.

Remember an Eu passport gets you into the EU country. If you work there ie an income you need to register for tax residency income tax etc. This can be quite involved. It’s all doable but you need to plan ahead etc

By the way does your wife have an EU passport

gutochiele · 06-07-2021, 09:02

My wife does have EU passport.

Actually I'm selling the boat here and want to settle somewhere in the EU, so meeting all the legal requirements to stay on one place is expected. Now after all considerations, I'm thinking of maybe starting a small business doing sewing, making biminis and dog house covers and repairs, etc. As here where I work we don't have many people doing "marineros" work, i didnt consider that in europe it does have a lot of people on this market

goboatingnow · 06-07-2021, 09:06

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Originally Posted by gutochiele

My wife does have EU passport.

Actually I'm selling the boat here and want to settle somewhere in the EU, so meeting all the legal requirements to stay on one place is expected. Now after all considerations, I'm thinking of maybe starting a small business doing sewing, making biminis and dog house covers and repairs, etc. As here where I work we don't have many people doing "marineros" work, i didnt consider that in europe it does have a lot of people on this market

For example here in lefkas , there are 4 Bimini makers , and several cleaning services etc but the market is expanding ,all the three yacht services companies have 5-15 employees , doing gardinage , cleaning the boat etc. Hours rates here are around €40/50 an hour

My experience is France and Spain are not as well provisioned for that sort of thing.

You sound like your thinking this out
Best of luck.

Stewie12 · 06-07-2021, 09:07

Palma de Mallorca has the largest number of boats that I know of anywhere. Letting the yacht brokers know of the services you offer will help. They also have a daily local English newspaper called The Daily Bulletin that you could advertise in. If you are reliable and do not overcharge I am sure you will get plenty of work by word of mouth.

**boatman61** · 06-07-2021, 09:28

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

For example here in lefkas , there are 4 Bimini makers , and several cleaning services etc but the market is expanding ,all the three yacht services companies have 5-15 employees , doing gardinage , cleaning the boat etc. Hours rates here are around €40/50 an hour

My experience is France and Spain are not as well provisioned for that sort of thing.

You sound like your thinking this out
Best of luck.

Sounds like Greece is the place.

Here in Portugal a skilled diesel mechanic is around €25/hr.. a couple of years back I was only paying €19/hr for a John Deere mechanic plus petrol money.

gutochiele · 06-07-2021, 14:02

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow

For example here in lefkas , there are 4 Bimini makers , and several cleaning services etc but the market is expanding ,all the three yacht services companies have 5-15 employees , doing gardinage , cleaning the boat etc. Hours rates here are around €40/50 an hour

My experience is France and Spain are not as well provisioned for that sort of thing.

You sound like your thinking this out
Best of luck.

That is indeed a high hour rate.

Thanks for all the info so far, mates. I feel very confident about it, I think I can make this work somehow.