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SaltyMonkey · 28-05-2013, 09:22

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Originally Posted by typhoon

or her sister ship, Godspeed . Same boat with paint.

Anything that can go 27 knts in a southern ocean has my vote

**s/v Jedi** · 28-05-2013, 10:53

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Originally Posted by WantoSail

I have researched a little a have come across a Hirondelle 24 MK 1 for what would seem to be a good price. Obviously I'm not going around the world in it but I'm interested in your opinions about using it as my first boat and learning on Lake Erie.

If you want to learn sailing in a 24' boat, a J24 is the ticket and they are popular and everywhere:

Kenomac · 28-05-2013, 12:00

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Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

The problem with Oyster, Contest, Halberg Rassy etc. is that they are not made for a couple to live aboard and sail the boat. The Sundeer and Amel are, so will fit better.

I'm a little confused.

Shouldn't my wife and I be doing what we are doing... just the two of us? I wasn't aware we required a crew.

**s/v Jedi** · 28-05-2013, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

I'm a little confused.

Shouldn't my wife and I be doing what we are doing... just the two of us? I wasn't aware we required a crew.

I never said that. I said that Oysters are not design for a couple to live aboard while cruising. That doesn't mean they are unfit for it.

I think the majority of Oyster owners will still have a house ashore.

**boatman61** · 28-05-2013, 12:18

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Originally Posted by WantoSail

I have researched a little a have come across a Hirondelle 24 MK 1 for what would seem to be a good price. Obviously I'm not going around the world in it but I'm interested in your opinions about using it as my first boat and learning on Lake Erie.

I presume we are talking about one of these....

Nice little Cats from the 70's... very popular with the Estuary and Coast hoppers.. great w/enders and more for a couple with or without 1-2 small kids...strong as a Catalac but sail better...

http://www.hirondelle-association.org/about.asp

WantoSail · 28-05-2013, 17:44

That's the one. Or at least one like it. I think I'm pushing this thread in a knew direction but I think this may have been the direction I was originally going. What do I need to know and learn as we'll as wanting to know the best boat for sailing from Ohio to New Zealand once I learn. I'm really just trying to learn as much as I can from those who know the most about it. As for the 24 I think it looks like a fun boat to learn on.

Cheechako · 28-05-2013, 17:57

Around with two: Westsail 32, Bristol Channel Cutter 28, Cape George 31-36

**boatman61** · 28-05-2013, 18:07

Its cheap, cheerful and fun... and they re-sale well if looked after.. if your going the Catamaran route it'll suit you down to the ground as a learner... go into it gently though... and reef early till you get to know how tender she may be in various wind strengths..
Is she an O/board or one of the rare inboards..

WantoSail · 28-05-2013, 21:25

Outboard. I really like the looks of it and seems like it could be a lot of fun

snort · 28-05-2013, 21:51

There are several versions of the Hirondelle, but I think the decks are all balsa-cored. Take a screwdriver and rap all over the deck, listening for a dull sound.
With some of these older boats the delamination might be evident in the odd contours of the interior or exterior surface.

WantoSail · 28-05-2013, 22:02

I'll look into this thanks for the heads up

Kenomac · 28-05-2013, 22:24

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Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

I never said that. I said that Oysters are not design for a couple to live aboard while cruising.

So what you're saying... is that we should move back ashore and not live aboard for most of the year like we're presently doing?

We find our Oyster very comfortable for extended cruising as do many hundreds of other owners, like the fifty or more Oyster owners who are currently on a circumnavigation.

**s/v Jedi** · 29-05-2013, 05:08

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

So what you're saying... is that we should move back ashore and not live aboard for most of the year like we're presently doing?

We find our Oyster very comfortable for extended cruising as do many hundreds of other owners, like the fifty or more Oyster owners who are currently on a circumnavigation.

Again, no, I did not say that. When you quote me, you should not edit that text or take parts out of their context.

Also circumnavigating is very different than live aboard cruising. I bet most of those 50 Oysters are in the ARC World Rally, all together port hopping with teams of organizers who prep the way and clean up after them, and upon finishing, every crew member goes back home to the house they own to cross "circumnavigating the world" off the bucket list.

It's just fine, but different. Of course I have seen Oyster with live aboard cruisers. I have also seen many Beneteaus, Hanse's, Swans etc. with live aboard cruisers. But that doesn't make their boats designed for it either, as they are designed for chartering or racing.