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Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 13-10-2016, 11:45
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Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Again, probably correct, and it could very well be that the charter co.'s gross negligence exacerbated what the MAIB report concluded was an underlying structural problem with at least some of these...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-10-2016, 07:45
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

At least according to U.S. law, a prosecution for criminal negligence will have to prove a much higher standard than the type of ordinary negligence required for a civil suit. It would amount to...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 27-05-2015, 10:56
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Still not enthusiastic about it for my own boat, just recognizing that it doesn't seem to constitute a faulty design per se, but rather one that seems to be generally accepted if built properly. I...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 16-05-2015, 09:35
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Hmmm . . . twice now after hauling out I've drilled a small hole on the aft bottom end of my keel and both times had water dribbling out. Encapsulated lead, with the only logical (to me) source...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 15-05-2015, 14:06
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

The point is that, based on the factual record analyzed in the report, it is incorrect to attribute the blame solely to negligent maintenance as your surveyor did (and you seem to be interested in...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 15-05-2015, 11:02
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

I was planning on asking Minaret this myself, but then thought I may not wanna hear the answer.:whistling: I would hazard a guess that not many fall off catastrophically, but it would be useful to...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 15-05-2015, 10:55
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Well Polux, since you're taking off sailing soon & maybe pressed for time, perhaps you should quickly review what you wrote early on in post #6. Not only did you properly attribute the MAIB report...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 15-05-2015, 09:30
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

One more time, Polux -- the surveyor you quoted may have been reputable, but he made his apparently informal comments shortly after the incident occurred, and long before the MAIB report was issued. ...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 14-05-2015, 12:03
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Bene's "edge on design and modern building techniques" means they've figured out how to build a boat they can market for all-oceans work at a cheaper price. After all, price is generally the...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 13-05-2015, 12:20
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

At long last, some enlightenment! Turns out that most people buy boats because of their intricate knowledge of the type of matrix liner used, as opposed to how inexpensive they are, how much...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 13-05-2015, 09:11
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

This has already been covered, Polux. The effectiveness of the technology is debatable; it's apparently expensive & time-consuming; it would have to be applied to a boat which is inexpensive to...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 12-05-2015, 13:38
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

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Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 12-05-2015, 13:35
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

The cynic in me suspects undisclosed ties to the industry, but probably just ego. Apparently likes to trade "up" every few years to own close to the latest & what he thinks is therefore the...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 12-05-2015, 12:24
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Another reason why I find the CE "A" rating troublesome, or maybe more like bulls**t as Neil & Boatman would say.:smile: I don't have any problem with Polux's Ferrarri analogy in the sense that you...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 12-05-2015, 11:48
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Once again, there is evidence that there is NO WAY to insure adequate maintenance of the keel system and therefore insure a seaworthy condition. Maybe the mfg. will rectify this as you have...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 11-05-2015, 11:16
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Yet another one of your long list of straw men, I'm afraid. So in the absence of online critique & comment, you're saying that builders & designers would not engage in damage limitation?? Who other...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 10-05-2015, 22:51
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Indeed. So why don't you tell us why you incorrectly claimed that none of the boats that were found to have suffered forward matrix detachments commonly attributed to hard sailing or, if you prefer,...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 10-05-2015, 09:53
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Fortunately the links provided in the first few posts of this thread will take a reader to pertinent excerpts of the MAIB report and the report itself, and that is a more productive way of reaching...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 15:48
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

I thought that both transmitterdam and myself had already responded to this, but I know how much you like to argue.:rolleyes: Here are some pertinent quotes from the MAIB report, cited in the...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 14:19
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Polux, whether to put failures like this in the "**** happens" or "design defect" box comes down to whether there is a pattern of failures, whether that pattern is consistent with the build issues...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 12:25
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Thanks transmitterdam. You characterized this more accurately than I did. I overreached by suggesting the report formally concluded it was a design defect to blame, although I agree with you that...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 12:17
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

OK, fair enough as a function of routine maintenance. I stand corrected. But my understanding is that, in this case, most notably the photo of the upturned hull showing evidence of longstanding...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 11:43
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Polux --

With respect, you & others seem to avail yourselves of this line of reasoning whenever a catastrophic failure on one of the less expensive boats comes up. It can be persuasive in certain...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 11:12
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Probably a futile attempt to keep things on track here::whistling:

What the CR Loss Report brings up is the prospect of a serious & potentially deadly design defect by a mfg. Plenty of other...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 09:47
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Exile
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

mstrebe --

I thought this thread, to its credit, was way beyond yet another "debate" b'twn. bolt-on vs. encapsulated keels, fin vs. full keels, plastic vs. steel, blah, blah, blah. Instead, it...
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