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Forum: General Sailing Forum 18-04-2018, 11:37
Replies: 138
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Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

From Sail World:"Sail-World understands that ... three fishing boats were involved in the incident with two of those being well lit and visible to the crew, the third was unlit and the contact was...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 18-04-2018, 11:16
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

This thread doesn't seem to have been updated since the pictures of Vestas arriving Auckland were published. Photos clearly show the massive extent of damage to the UNDERSIDE of Vestas' bow section,...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 28-03-2018, 22:24
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Aw c'mon Teddy, I've seen you make sensible comments elsewhere, so why post this? Not only seen those fishermen, but invited into their homes, drank tea with them and their families - wonderful,...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 25-03-2018, 14:33
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

... and the reason for Vestas website not explicitly stating this would be?

Okay, "Dunno".
Forum: General Sailing Forum 25-03-2018, 13:03
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

...and by not explicitly stating, yet leaving it as implied, was the intention to mislead...?
Forum: General Sailing Forum 25-03-2018, 12:43
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Agreed, but I did say "figuratively speaking". If I were passing a vessel engaged in fishing, and if I were doing 20 kts, and if the vessel might manoeuvre unexpectedly, and if I didn't slow down,...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 25-03-2018, 12:18
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

No mention anywhere of hitting another "unlit" vessel they didn't see, visually or on radar - that would seem highly unlikely, if not impossible, and why no mention of it anywhere? Why would such an...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 25-03-2018, 11:53
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Then someone posts this:
"In my opinion if your a commercial fishing vessel and you've got what appeared to be ten or more men on it, who also probably have a ton of experience then why in the hell...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 13-03-2018, 11:38
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

...and that seems to be the total sum of information describing the cause of the collision - i.e. nothing at all on the actual cause. We are left to guess what really happened.
Forum: General Sailing Forum 05-02-2018, 16:54
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

From memory, last time they hit a reef in the Indian Ocean - navigator failed to spot the reef on the charts. This time they hit a fishing boat - hardly the navigator to blame (assuming someone is at...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 24-01-2018, 15:05
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

So, to summarise - no, the masthead tricolour must not be used in conjunction with bow and stern lights.
Forum: General Sailing Forum 24-01-2018, 14:19
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Is it legal, while under sail, to show masthead tricolour (vessel under sail) combined with bow and stern lights (normally shown only when motoring)?
Forum: General Sailing Forum 23-01-2018, 22:26
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

I'm not sure anyone reading this thread has grasped how these south-east asian fishermen live. One of the most memorable and enjoyable times in my life was being allowed to assist those fishermen...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 23-01-2018, 13:34
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Both vessels were at fault, but I don't try to make excuses for anyone by comparing containership speeds following correct procedures in shipping lanes to VORs dodging through a fleet of tiny,...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 23-01-2018, 11:36
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

A zillion container ships a day enter and leave HongKong harbour without killing anyone; a VOR boat roars in and bingo! How is that?

Maybe container ships are predictable, maybe local fishermen...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 23-01-2018, 10:20
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Who would doubt the watchkeeping would be anything other than all eyes forward, all hands on deck? Nobody doubts the watchkeeping - what we doubt, Jim, is that an adrenalin-pumping VOR skipper chose...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 22-01-2018, 11:05
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

I can see why some may wish to ponder on which rule applied - was the vessel actively engaged in fishing at the time, did its lights comply with Colregs, and so on and on: the fact remains that no...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 21-01-2018, 13:00
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

No, this is absolutely wrong.

No race is worth dying for. Going fishing for a living is always one of the most hazardous occupations but being killed by some supersonic yacht dodging through a...
Forum: General Sailing Forum 21-01-2018, 09:14
Replies: 138
Views: 19,774
Posted By NevisDog
Re: VOR boat in Fatal Collision.

Of course both boats are 'burdened' (must take appropriate avoidance action) whenever risk of imminent collision. More important question - who had more speed and maneuverability - a fishing boat or...
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