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Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 26-05-2015, 19:34
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Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

All showing the same behaviour is likely a good thing. As is "huge" backing plates. Glad all seems well with your craft. Well done for due diligence. :flowers:
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 10-05-2015, 04:33
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Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Of course as usual with your cherry picking, equivocation and eliding style of argumentativeness you carefully choose to fail to notice again, despite my repeatedly calling your attention to it, my...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 09-05-2015, 04:46
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Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

No, I didn't, and I said so in two replies prior to your post and pointed this out again in one later on. But if you insist on repatedly putting words in my mouth, that is up to you. As far as the...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 08-05-2015, 10:59
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Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Well, no, or maybe, but what is the point? But thanks anyhow. Such surfaces are typically sedimentary or semi metamorphic and can be made in fairly wide variety of different ways and may also be...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 08-05-2015, 09:26
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Dear Paolo,

Can you name the type of strata that you think you see? "Very old in time" does not bespeak "soft" strata. What makes you think it does? Whether you have them at home or not is...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 23:40
Replies: 361
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Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Aha. Sorry, I missed that. Very sad indeed in any case. A 40 foot cat capsize? Must've been an interesting sea. The Azores region has claimed many boats and often their loss is unheralded. About the...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 23:13
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Extremely interesting post! Shout about it! :thumb:
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 23:11
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

I truly hope this does not turn out to be another keel loss. Capsize and sinking is suspicious though, and the death of the little girl truly awful:

French girl dies from cold off Azores after...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 18:40
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

As to heartfelt disagreement, absolutely. I have no desire to be contentious for the sake of it. As it happens I am in contact with some of the family and friends of the crew of the CR, and had...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 18:22
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Paolo, I am sorry you feel offended. Perhaps I was overstrong in my critique on a personal level and I perhaps should not have been. But I do feel frustrated by your apparent inability even to admit...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 07:05
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

You seem almost to wish to miss the point. The navigational issues are not in discussion on the thread and so are a red herring in your reply. The vessel is at rest some 45 to 55 meters from the edge...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 06:26
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

And before you or anyone else starts saying that I am cherry picking as this is a steel yacht etc etc. understand that there are PLENTY of yacht designs out there made of other than steel which would...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 07-05-2015, 04:18
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Wow. Just wow. Just when i thought you had reached the pinnacle of obtuse posts, you come up with this. The vessel is not on a freaking beach. When have you seen a beach looking like that?...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 06-05-2015, 22:31
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

This is a true unrestricted service Ocean boat with a good keel structure. The captain was saved by AMSA well into the event, but first and foremost, he was saved by his boat. Had this been the sort...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 05-05-2015, 05:26
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Excellent post. Very much what I was driving at, but you are more succinct. Thanks!
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 04-05-2015, 15:58
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

A very interesting and knowledgeable discussion, thank you. Also the cost factor you note is what makes such procedures completely impractical for the thousands of second hand and older such boats...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 03-05-2015, 22:39
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

To the sailors who trusted that a good repair had been made to a light grounding, the failure which was considered repaired was catastrophic, and suddenly fatal. If a keel structure can unbond due to...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 03-05-2015, 17:57
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Yes> I thought you would misunderstand this, and I also thought you would use your typical spurious cherry picking style to attempt to argue it. Firstly, your probably accidental use of the word...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 03-05-2015, 10:19
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

600 0r 6000 your risk assessment remains extremely flawed. See my post above. Also I replied in this post referring specifically to the 2 keel losses just among the 40.7 class.
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 03-05-2015, 09:06
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

What planet are you living on? I am European and a commercial skipper (though sail globally) and you appear not to have noticed the vast numbers of "old" boats located in marinas and harbours...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 03-05-2015, 08:17
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Your repeated assertion that you are not defending anything is, I am afraid, rather strange. I don't even know why you are making it. As to the Cat "0" cert, it is mentioned in the report that such...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 03-05-2015, 07:40
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Excellent post. Exactly. And thanks.
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 01-05-2015, 18:44
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Apologies, should have been gender neutral. Sometimes the old formalities still break through in this old dog.
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 01-05-2015, 18:06
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

Your defense of this design is spirited, and flawed. It iis quite clear (I did read the report meticulously and will give chapter and verse when I have time) that the authors imply that simply heavy...
Forum: Seamanship & Boat Handling 01-05-2015, 12:14
Replies: 361
Views: 57,496
Posted By Muckle Flugga
Re: Cheeki Rafiki loss report

You are 100 percent correct. Elsewhere and under a different handle (well, my name as it happens) I wrote a piece suggesting it was indeed keel bolt failure during the actual emergency, BEFORE the...
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