Staysail + rolled genny?

[sneuman]

I own a Tayana 37 cutter.

This weekend I was experimenting with using the staysail and a
partially rolled 150% genoa on a windward beat to a beam reach. Of
course, the rolled genny isn't much of a sail, but I have it out to
where the clew was about at the cap shroud so as to approximate a
yankee (which I do not have). It seemed to work pretty well and, best
of all, it passed through the "cutter slot" easily on a tack.

Any other cutter sailors sail this way?

[SkiprJohn]

Aloha Sneuman,
That is a nice boat. Is it new to you?
Yes, cutters are supposed to sail with a yankee and staysail in up to about 20k winds. Many times if just a 150 genny is used you'll upset the balance of the rig and it just won't act right. Rolling it in a bit and experimenting with how much sail in different wind conditions and what works best for you is a great way of determining what size yankee you might want to order to have a very well balanced rig. You are lucky you have that genny on a roller so you can really tweak it in and out to get the proper feel.
Kind regards,
JohnL

[Hud3]

Scott,

My cutter has a 110% genoa with a fairly high cut clew, so I'm already reefed by your standards. It sails great when the wind is 8-10 knots or more. In winds above 20 kts, I start reefing, and keep some genoa rolled out all the way up to 45-50 kts. It adds a lot of power compared to staysail and deeply reefed main alone.

I had luff pads installed so the gennie keeps a good shape and draws well at any reef point. Before I had the pads installed, it created a large weather helm when reefed in beyond 85% or so because of the baggy shape.

I bought an asymmetric spinnaker for light winds, since the 110% isn't very effective in those conditions.

[Cacique]

Hi I have a Vancouver 27 (British)
I have a new Yankee I asked for about 20% bigger than the standard size, so this allows me to take a few rolls in and I have pretty much the designed sail, (I also have a foam luff). She seems pretty well balanced, I have tried with just the yankee and main (When out for a daysail with nowhere special to go) and being lazy and not bothering to hank on the staysail, again she seems pretty good but the staysail is the key to keeping the balance and adding a bit extra power.

[Paul Elliott]

I have a 120% roller-furled genoa that I often fly partially-furled, with the staysail. It gives me more power than the staysail alone, and has a padded luff which gives it decent shape when reefed. When sailing home from Hawaii and punching into the heavy trades I usually kept the main at the first or second reef, and adjusted speed / heel / balance by using various combinations of reefed genoa plus staysail.

FWIW, my genoa has a fairly high-cut clew, but it isn't a full yankee.

[bstreep]

Since the subject came up. Our genoa doesn't have luff pads in it, but the staysail does. Mamma just finished up putting new Sunbrella on the staysail. If we wanted to add a padded luff, how much, how long, etc.? Any ideas?

TIA

[Stillraining]

Originally Posted by bstreep

Since the subject came up. Our genoa doesn't have luff pads in it, but the staysail does. Mamma just finished up putting new Sunbrella on the staysail. If we wanted to add a padded luff, how much, how long, etc.? Any ideas?

TIA

Bill in order to answer that


1) what is your luff length?
2) What is it 110- 135 -167?
3) What ounce material is it?
4) Whats its cut..sweeper...high clew?

[bstreep]

1) approximately 65 (I is supposed to be 63, J:20)
2) it was a 135, but cut down to raise the clew up for visability
3) I honestly don't know. I'd guess 6-8 oz.
4) As noted above, high clew.

[Stillraining]

12 to 14" in the center tapering to nothing a couple feet from the tack and head should be enough if your sail isnt really blown out...more if it is.

You can use the strips and some two sided tape and experiment before sewing them on permanently...don't use a lot of tape it can be hard to get off a sail.

Hope this helps