Originally Posted by Sail power sail
Monte. Thanks for the comments. Lots of trade
offs for sure. I want world cruising and wife wants Caribbean
cruising so will be a compromise for one or both of us. I liked the nautitech open 40. We sailed at 50 percent of wind
and pointed fairly well. Helm
stations aft felt exposed but secure. Liked the balance 451 as well.
Well for world cruising or Caribbean cruising, I think they're pretty much the same. Anything around 45' is going to be capable of both and the models you looked at would all be comfortable for a couple plus occasional guests. 1/2 windspeed is probably the norm for us on an L400 on a reach. I guess it's hard to gauge performance in different conditions unless you are sailing in company or racing
. The video of the N40 open on the other thread showing it doing 20kn is pretty impressive. Obviously it's under the hammer and sailing on the edge flying a hull
. It would be interesting to see it's performance loaded to cruise
Over the past 12 months we have sailed about 6000 m but in the Caribbean over the last 6 months, just 1000 m, so most of our time here is at anchor
. So performance is lower on the scale of needs and wants than comfort and payload. Most day sails
for us in the Caribbean are only 30 m between islands and we would usually average 8kn, beam reaching in 20kn trade winds. Around 9kn seems to be the maximum comfortable speed for the L400 and we would be reefing usually. We are pretty heavily loaded with gear
, but not over the top. It would be fun to occasionally be sailing on a faster cat, but honestly in the past year I haven't seen any going much faster than us. I usually watch the speed on AIS
or visually and I don't think I've seen any cats doing over 10kn. That includes quite a few that might be rated 'performance cruisers'
It would be fun to occasionally sail at 15kn and watch the miles tick away, and the sails
between islands would be more like 3hrs instead of 6hrs (not that that's necessarily a good thing, we love to sail and there's more chance of catching a fish
I did speak with an owner of one of the cats you mentioned and he told me he was disappointed in the performance he had expected. When he mentioned it to the builders they said " well you have overloaded it. It won't perform like it's designed to" that makes sense of course, but on the downside, they had a lot less 'stuff' onboard than we have on our 5' shorter cat.
I'd be interested to hear from other cruisers on cats on what their usual passage
planning speeds and actual passage
speeds tend to be. For us we plan at around 6kn and actual varies from 6-8kn usually, depending on currents, wind, sea state. Upwind is probably closer to 5kn VMG and subtract the current
which sometimes means we are making 3kn toward our destination
. That might be frustrating if you're in a hurry or have a lot of upwind miles to cover