Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-04-2014, 15:15   #31
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 7,963
Re: Yanmar vs Volvo

Quote:
Originally Posted by s/vfootloose View Post
Volvo thinks their parts are made of gold, and prices them accordingly
I've owned both Yanmar and Volvo. Had generally good experiences with both (though a couple of quirks of the MD2020s I don't like).

To choose now I would choose Yanmar, but not due to qualitative differences. It would be because of the manipulative parts distrubition and pricing practices of Volvo.

Cases in point: all parts are outrageously expensive (even generic stuff like shaft oil seals...example: front shaft seal for MD2020 from Volvo $25...from any local supllier about $5...just bought one in Pamama for $5.25...bought a few spares too), no parts specs are available (like oil seal rings/shaft diameters, etc), and they wont sell you a real service manual. I've owned and worked on a lot of motors (both marine and other) and for all other engines I've been able to buy a proper workshop manual....except Volvo. My Yanmar manual occupied a large 3-ring binder and contained extensive parts details and procedures. What Volvo sells for a service manual, to consumers, is a joke (they have a real one for their reps only).

Volvo has not actually built any of their own engines, or parts, in many years...they just outsource it, mark it up a few hundred percent and pass the screwing on to you.
__________________

__________________
belizesailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 15:38   #32
Senior Cruiser
 
colemj's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Presently on US East Coast
Boat: Manta 40 "Reach"
Posts: 10,049
Images: 12
Re: Yanmar vs Volvo

Does Yanmar supply parts specs? Things like seals and gaskets are always more expensive from the OEM, and OEM's rarely supply the specs for them.

We have real full service and workshop manuals, as well as a comprehensive parts and schematics catalog for our Volvos, that were purchased by the PO of our boat. These are also available in PDF on the internet. They have all sorts of specs in them like tolerances, runouts, etc. The service and workshop manual fill a 3-ring binder, while the parts/schematics catalog takes another binder. Perhaps Volvo doesn't sell manuals now for the engines they no longer manufacture? Or maybe their policy has changed? But they certainly sold them in the past.

Another option is buying the Perkins manual for the engine (or get it in PDF off the web). I also have this and it is identical to the Volvo with minor differences in how some things are presented. Buying parts from Perkins is also cheaper than buying them from Volvo.

If you search on the threads here, I posted a list of Volvo's and Yanmar's prices for common engine parts for similar engines and there were no significant differences between them. I am not defending Volvo's high prices - just pointing out that Yanmar charges the same! Perkins charges significantly less than both for all their Volvo identical parts.

Mark
__________________

__________________
www.svreach.com

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
colemj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2014, 20:53   #33
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 7,963
Re: Yanmar vs Volvo

Quote:
Originally Posted by colemj View Post
Does Yanmar supply parts specs? Things like seals and gaskets are always more expensive from the OEM, and OEM's rarely supply the specs for them.

We have real full service and workshop manuals, as well as a comprehensive parts and schematics catalog for our Volvos, that were purchased by the PO of our boat. These are also available in PDF on the internet. They have all sorts of specs in them like tolerances, runouts, etc. The service and workshop manual fill a 3-ring binder, while the parts/schematics catalog takes another binder. Perhaps Volvo doesn't sell manuals now for the engines they no longer manufacture? Or maybe their policy has changed? But they certainly sold them in the past.

Another option is buying the Perkins manual for the engine (or get it in PDF off the web). I also have this and it is identical to the Volvo with minor differences in how some things are presented. Buying parts from Perkins is also cheaper than buying them from Volvo.

If you search on the threads here, I posted a list of Volvo's and Yanmar's prices for common engine parts for similar engines and there were no significant differences between them. I am not defending Volvo's high prices - just pointing out that Yanmar charges the same! Perkins charges significantly less than both for all their Volvo identical parts.

Mark
I've been able to get parts specs from Yanmar distributors in the past. Volvo distributors have refused. Very handy if you need an off the shelf item like an oil seal, machine work, or even something basic like a fuel or oil filter (Volvo even brands these and wont give cross ref info...as they do the Johnson pump and impellers they use).

I have the "service manuals" Volvo publishes too (at least what they made available to me). There are whole subsystems of the engine that are not even mentioned, no recommended procedures for anything (very handy to know some "tricks" sometimes, I've learned a few just from experience on the MD2020). My old Yanmar manual had detailed procedures for everything. They do have tightening torques and wear tolerances etc, but that's about it. I also have the parts schematics, generally more useful than the service manual. Marine Parts Express (great service) has these online too.

For some odd reason the service manuals for their sail drives are more complete.

I need to research Perkins cross ref more and confirm the closest match.
__________________

__________________
belizesailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
volvo, yanmar

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
410: Lagoon 410 Yanmar vs Volvo ~30-40hp ejlindahl Lagoon Catamarans 15 31-08-2012 00:04
Need Volvo Part Sunspot Baby Construction, Maintenance & Refit 3 24-08-2007 13:42
Volvo D2 vs Yanmar 3JH4E malikalalu Engines and Propulsion Systems 28 23-08-2007 22:09
Engine advice needed!Volvo MD3//Yanmar 3QM30 georgetheleo Engines and Propulsion Systems 0 22-04-2007 10:28



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:28.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.