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Old 22-01-2012, 21:00   #31
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Re: Seawind Moving Most Production to Vietnam

I think Henry Ford was the only guy who thought the workers at his plants should be able to buy the cars they made, but that went away with banks
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Please don't cross examine me on what I am about to say, I am not a business spokesperson for the company, just a local agent.

However, yes the 1000XL2 and the 1160 production is now in Seawind's factory in Vietnam, the build has not been outsourced to a yard in SE Asia, its in a factory that Seawind owns and has its own senior staff. (The Corsiar production facility which Seawind bought last year along with the Corsair line of tri's). The corsairs have been built to an extremely high standard in this facility for some years.

The 1250 remains fully built in Australia and the 1000XL2 will be heavily commissioned in Australia. Seawind is still an Australian company and many of the senior people in the Vietnam facility are Australian. Seawind remains the biggest production sail boat builder in Australia. Everything else remains the same, you buy a 1000XLs it will still be delivered to you at Seawind's brand new private marina facility in Rozelle in Sydney. You have a question or a a need for service its still your local agent and the service manager in Bellambi that will resolve the issue.

Don't expect price drops, expect a company that remains profitable and continues to provide employment to many people in the Wollongong area and elsewhere.
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Thanks for posting this information Factor which is most appreciated to clarify the situation.
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Please don't cross examine me on what I am about to say, I am not a business spokesperson for the company, just a local agent.

However, yes the 1000XL2 and the 1160 production is now in Seawind's factory in Vietnam, the build has not been outsourced to a yard in SE Asia, its in a factory that Seawind owns and has its own senior staff. (The Corsiar production facility which Seawind bought last year along with the Corsair line of tri's). The corsairs have been built to an extremely high standard in this facility for some years.

The 1250 remains fully built in Australia and the 1000XL2 will be heavily commissioned in Australia. Seawind is still an Australian company and many of the senior people in the Vietnam facility are Australian. Seawind remains the biggest production sail boat builder in Australia. Everything else remains the same, you buy a 1000XLs it will still be delivered to you at Seawind's brand new private marina facility in Rozelle in Sydney. You have a question or a a need for service its still your local agent and the service manager in Bellambi that will resolve the issue.

Don't expect price drops, expect a company that remains profitable and continues to provide employment to many people in the Wollongong area and elsewhere.
Hi factor, thanks for dropping in. i have seen in threads that there is talk of a move to Nowra...what is the facts about Nowra rather that have spectulation. thanks mate.
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Globalization is another word for exploitation of cheap labor to maintain or increase profits. It results in short term profits, but long term it is stealing from Peter to pay Paul. When you send all the Ozzie jobs overseas, then the Ozzies won't have the jobs and the cash to buy the sailboats. It is non-sustainable long term.

I get discouraged when I walk into a store, and the majority of the products are from China. I want to support the jobs in my own country, but it gets harder with each passing year.

This problem will continue as long as governments pursue policies that make manufacuting at home more expensive, and they favor those who move the jobs overseas.
Dunno Dave, I think the biggest factor sending jobs overseas is simply wage discrepancy, not government policy. How do we compete with a labor force that makes an average of 57 cents/hr?
http://www.bls.gov/fls/chinareport.pdf

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Dunno Dave, I think the biggest factor sending jobs overseas is simply wage discrepancy, not government policy. How do we compete with a labor force that makes an average of 57 cents/hr?
http://www.bls.gov/fls/chinareport.pdf

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Wages are certainly the big one but without doubt increased Govt imposed costs become the tipping point.
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Dunno Dave, I think the biggest factor sending jobs overseas is simply wage discrepancy, not government policy. How do we compete with a labor force that makes an average of 57 cents/hr?
http://www.bls.gov/fls/chinareport.pdf

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By reputation and quality. How many sailors have dodgy Rocna anchors from China? Or wind generators that crack up in a year. I'll be looking for US or UK produced gear that can be easily delivered to Aust and lasts. False economy to buy from China.
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By reputation and quality. How many sailors have dodgy Rocna anchors from China? Or wind generators that crack up in a year. I'll be looking for US or UK produced gear that can be easily delivered to Aust and lasts. False economy to buy from China.
Your comments is a gross generalization and ill informed
China can build to any sort of quality that the client and price dictates.
they build Mercedes, BMW and Audi's (as well as ford's) FFS
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How do we compete with a labor force that makes an average of 57 cents/hr?
http://www.bls.gov/fls/chinareport.pdf
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Interesting Article Mike though possibly a bit out of date (2005)

What I find interesting now is China is actually buying up factories in the US.
Factories are already in place in many instances and a languishing workforce is waiting for work.
The US people should be grateful

Role Reversal: Chinese Manufacturers Setting Up Shop In America @PSFK

China's Suntech to build factories in the U.S. | Green Tech - CNET News

EUobserver.com / Economic Affairs / China looking to snap up EU factories, railways

I wonder what the China bashers - Pro US crowd will do then?
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Re: Seawind Moving Most Production to Vietnam

Recently I have heard about wages increasing dramatically in China. The workers have traded bikes for motorcycles, and now motorcycles for cars. Owning one's own home "in town" is a growing dream.

A rising standard of living, people moving from the country to the city. Several new coal fired power plants coming online each and every week. History repeating itself in another country.

The scale of change is enormous with that size population.

The writer of the article concluded that within a few short years there will be parity in production costs compared to other countries.

The statements above about China buying overseas factories supports this conclusion in my opinion.



I think US workers in Alabama are very glad to have Mercedes, Hyundia, Toyota and others opening production facilities here. I have no doubt Chinese companies would be welcome as well. It's a New South kind of thing. Except we have always preferred to work hard at a good job, then get off work and go shoot guns and raise hell in four wheel drives. And go fishing of course. Don't think that will change. Just need a good job to keep the truck fixed and feed the kids.
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Dunno Dave, I think the biggest factor sending jobs overseas is simply wage discrepancy, not government policy. How do we compete with a labor force that makes an average of 57 cents/hr?
http://www.bls.gov/fls/chinareport.pdf

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It's quite easy - could have done it 20 years ago. could do it today.

For any overseas manufacturer who wishes to sell into a Western market (direct or via others) must meet not only the health and safety standards for the products (no lead paint on toy soldiers and wiring not 3 bits of string ) which they have to do at present......but also:-

1) that the workers must be employed with the same benefits as those within the Western Country that sales are made into. The wages can still be cheaper, but there costs added to by Pensions, sick pay, paid holidays, healthcare (private, if not provided by the State to a similar standard as in Western Europe) and unemployment benefit. Also throw in an ethnic diversity requirement and suddenly those Tibetans have a $$$ value - above simply a means to keep warm on a cold day ). I would also include Union recognition (the folks who invented the weekend ).

2) Might also require that the Workers enjoy the same rights as in the West - principally the ability to vote for a Govt of there choice .

The cost of compliance (via spot inspections and regular monitoring by Westerners from the country sold into) to be met by the exporter. In cash . and of the course all the requirements should be a constantly moving target .

The idea being not simply to help level the playing field on costs - but also to make manufacturing simply too much aggro and provide a window of opportunity for home market based production - even if owned by foreigners (ala Toyota etc).

Long term it's a win win for both sides .

Won't happen of course .


For those selling Seawinds, does that now make 'em Vietnamese boat people?
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Nice one Dave - I like it -
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I wonder what the China bashers - Pro US crowd will do then?

We will learn to speak Chinese and bow, which is their plan.
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It's quite easy - could have done it 20 years ago. could do it today.

For any overseas manufacturer who wishes to sell into a Western market (direct or via others) must meet not only the health and safety standards for the products (no lead paint on toy soldiers and wiring not 3 bits of string ) which they have to do at present......but also:-

1) that the workers must be employed with the same benefits as those within the Western Country that sales are made into. The wages can still be cheaper, but there costs added to by Pensions, sick pay, paid holidays, healthcare (private, if not provided by the State to a similar standard as in Western Europe) and unemployment benefit. Also throw in an ethnic diversity requirement and suddenly those Tibetans have a $$$ value - above simply a means to keep warm on a cold day ). I would also include Union recognition (the folks who invented the weekend ).

2) Might also require that the Workers enjoy the same rights as in the West - principally the ability to vote for a Govt of there choice .

The cost of compliance (via spot inspections and regular monitoring by Westerners from the country sold into) to be met by the exporter. In cash . and of the course all the requirements should be a constantly moving target .

The idea being not simply to help level the playing field on costs - but also to make manufacturing simply too much aggro and provide a window of opportunity for home market based production - even if owned by foreigners (ala Toyota etc).

Long term it's a win win for both sides .

Won't happen of course .


For those selling Seawinds, does that now make 'em Vietnamese boat people?

Yep.
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We will learn to speak Chinese and bow, which is their plan.
And several hundred years in the making.
Western politicians can only manage to think 4 years ahead

I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords

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