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Old 12-01-2015, 09:57   #541
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

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Old 13-01-2015, 17:07   #542
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

An excerpt pertaining to the HIQ (Hunter In Question) taken from this first hand account here Dan and Tamara's Catalina Trip Report

“Harbor patrol, this is Susie Q. We are free and in need of assistance.” This family had been next to us an Antonio’s. What appeared to be three generations of family. The grandparents, the parents (one with a jacket embroidered with “Susie Q Crew”) and grandchildren. I was on the bridge and saw Susie Q, a ~40 foot Hunter sailboat, spiral off her mooring – stern to wind and waves. Her engine was on. She looked in good shape. It looked like she was going to pass the 35’ Tiara powerboat on mooring 105, round her stern, then could head out to sea. But instead she turned sharp, attempting to pass in front of the Tiara. The wind and seas were too much. She could not get her bow into the wind. She collided, at speed, with the bow of the Tiara. Susie Q then backed off, tried to go forward but could not. Her propeller was wrapped and the engine useless. She seemed stuck to the Tiara, with her stern to the waves. The harbor patrol came by to help. Eventually a line was attached from her bow to the stern of the Tiara. The stern of the sailboat was let go and she floated around – attached by the bow to the stern of the Tiara. The strain on the line was tremendous. When the wave would pass under the Tiara and to the sailboat the line would snap taught, but not break. Then, often, the bow of the sailboat would smash the stern of the Tiara. Eventually back of the Tiara started to disintegrate. The bow of the sailboat developed a huge V-shaped hole. If the rope should break, it was unclear whether Susie Q would go aground on the beach or hit the breakwall. Susie Q was also in danger of sinking.

The skipper of the Susie Q radioed the harbor patrol. “I’m not sure how long this rope will hold. What do I do if it breaks?” Harbor patrol, “Float into shore.” Susie Q, “But what do we do? Jump off? Swim?”
Harbor patrol, “We don’t have much to do with that. There will be people on shore to help. You might want to think about getting off that boat now.”

The harbor patrol sent a boat over and evacuated the Susie Q. The stern was pitching too much to transfer. The harbor patrol vessel pulled up beside the mast, where the pitching was reduced. The crew evacuated.

For a couple of hours the now abandoned Susie Q battered the stern of the Tiara, which was occupied. The harbor patrol tried to free the Susie Q but it seemed that it was somehow attached beneath the waterline. The Susie Q eventually sank.
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Old 13-01-2015, 17:11   #543
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

So one of the morals of the story here is if you ever find yourself trying to motor out of a harbor in heavy winds you need to allow extra room or turn in the lee of a boat or other structure... if you have a ketch would it do to give her a little mizzen to windvane the stern around?
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Old 13-01-2015, 17:42   #544
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ya know, CarinaPDX, you're right, and I bet Susie Q's owner knows it's his responsibility.

And, the boat population of California exceeds that of Oregon. Shortage of berths is probably one part of the influences on what happened to SQ. Also, the prestige of having a mooring at Avalon. What's scarce is admired and expensive. Many factors leading to having a mooring there, and none elsewhere.

I think you'd find if you went there, that you'd find a whole lot of *stuff* contributed to SQ's sinking.

1)Choice of lightly built boat (compared to yours),

2) possibly should have had a stretchy bridle (but not so stretchy he could contact the boat astern of him--and how hard is that to get right?),

3) not having swing moorings instead of bow and stern, [the bow & stern system is supposed to let them get more boats in, but at a price (pun intended).

Like rgscpat (sp?) wrote, it's 25 miles away by ferry. So, maybe 2-1/2 hrs. @ 10 knots.
What's the poor owner to do, hire a helicopter? All very well, for the super rich, no worries, mate, but what are they, 3% of the total population?

Like you, I have sympathy for SQ's owner, he gambled with a situation, and it worked out poorly for him. But I also have sympathy for the decision to moor where he wanted. He was [possibly predictably] unlucky.

There's so much we don't know about the moorings: does he own it? is it owned by the harbor board? how are they maintained? does the owner have a legal right to make some changes? like adding a secondary line to the other cleat?

I'd also like to add that at the point you have 2.5 m. seas coming through a mooring field, you might not want to go out to a boat....

Yes, it's Susie Q's captains responsibility, but we're not a court of law, and I for another, would like to see him cut some slack. I think his options were more limited simply by life than I think you do.

Ann

Ann, the mooring at Avalon are very tightly packed, true. Most boats, I think including SQ, are transient visitors. During the winter they offer a deal...pay for two nights get seven. When you come into Avalon they give you a receipt for your mooring fee that states clearly that these moorings are not intended for storm conditions. They are well maintained but not intended for the infamous Santa Ana conditions. When the wind comes from the Northeast you get out! We were there until Dec. 26th and left when the swells started rolling in with 15 naut. NE winds. There were already 4 ft rollers coming into the harbor. So sad about the losses of lives and boats.


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I'm not sure if this has already been posted here - https://www.facebook.com/CharliesCha...13838915349797
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Re: Hunter sinks at Catalina due to bow cleat failure

Thanks for the story - when did the cleat pull out?

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So one of the morals of the story here is if you ever find yourself trying to motor out of a harbor in heavy winds you need to allow extra room or turn in the lee of a boat or other structure... if you have a ketch would it do to give her a little mizzen to windvane the stern around?
I think the most important moral of this story is the same hard lesson learned during the Cabo San Lucas debacle back in 1982...

Better to get out sooner, rather than later... Even Moitessier learned that one the hard way...


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Why in gods name can NO ONE make a decent boat anymore? The only way you'd see that happen on an Oday or a Catalina would be if the seventh owner decided to drill 12 holes around the roller to mount some Christmas lights. Dude, dont even mess around with any boat made often the 90s or your done. D.O.N.E done. With that said ill go back to saying how every yacht manufacturer if less concerned about quality and costumer satisfaction than they are about dumping 1200 crappy boats out a year and not caring what happens after that. If you have money and are looking for a boat, just buy a 1980 catalina 30, fix her up and sail away, never having to worry about bent rudder tubes, factory blisters or masts with steel fittings rusting out and falling on your gosh darn head.
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Why in gods name can NO ONE make a decent boat anymore? The only way you'd see that happen on an Oday or a Catalina would be if the seventh owner decided to drill 12 holes around the roller to mount some Christmas lights. Dude, dont even mess around with any boat made often the 90s or your done. D.O.N.E done. With that said ill go back to saying how every yacht manufacturer if less concerned about quality and costumer satisfaction than they are about dumping 1200 crappy boats out a year and not caring what happens after that. If you have money and are looking for a boat, just buy a 1980 catalina 30, fix her up and sail away, never having to worry about bent rudder tubes, factory blisters or masts with steel fittings rusting out and falling on your gosh darn head.
Do I detect a note of bias there?? This repetitive knocking kind of gets tiresome.
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Good grief, down here we start winging vociferously about crowding if there are more than a half dozen other boats anchored in a bay this size.
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Good grief, down here we start winging vociferously about crowding if there are more than a half dozen other boats anchored in a bay this size.
Gad only a handfull of sailboats
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