Originally Posted by northoceanbeach
deserted islands left . . . No clearance, not red tape
, no time limit, just your own island to pick coconuts and fish
and find tropical fruit.
Regarding Red tape . . . the 1990's were the prime years (most recently) for low red tape. Barriers and costs for visiting countries were going down all around the world. Europe
was dropping its border barriers, Polynesia made longer stays much easier, Indonesia
reduced its entry requirements, etc etc. Cruising permit
requirements were relaxed. Also piracy
was in retreat.
Unfortunately, since 2001, that red tape trend was very strongly reversed. Almost everywhere it has gotten more difficult and more expensive. The 'advance arrival notifications' requirements has been adapted by a bunch of countries (australia's implementation is one of the most difficult). The US instituted difficult visa requirements (for those arriving on their own boats), and complicated the process for their own flagged boats to visit canada
. And piracy
(and thuggery) also spiked up.
Today, if you really want no red tape, it's best to stay in your home country waters.
As to deserted islands, there are some really wonderful ones around newfoundland
- with terrific protected anchorages
and fresh water
, many used to have thriving fishing
communities, but the canadian government
considered them too expensive to support with social services (and difficult to reach or support in any way in the winter) and abandoned them. But as 3 season cruising stops they are wonderful. No tropical fruit but there is fishing
. And global warming might make these more attractive in the future - snap them up now
There are also 1000's of never ever inhabited islands in Patagonia - also with terrific anchorages
and fresh water
. You can stay for months and never seen anyone. There is significant red tape involved in getting cruising there.
Our favorite deserted tropical island was in the Ha'apai Island group, Tonga
. Most of the sailors stay up in the northern Vava'u group. So while you will see a few boats around, you are likely to have the anchorage and island all to yourself. Here's me alone on the beach with no other footprints.
Originally Posted by Rustic Charm
No country claims to 'own' Antarctica. There are 38 nations who are part of the Antarctic Treaty and agree to safeguard the continent for science and nature.
Permits are not hard to get and are simply necessary to ensure the well-being of the continent and safety
of people travelling.
A Berserk expedition gone wrong
RC, really you don't know what you are talking about here.
#1 Seven nations -- Argentina
, New Zealand
, and the United Kingdom -- claimed territorial sovereignty over areas of Antarctica. The United States and Soviet Union (I presume Russia
has adapted the same position) reserved the right to assert claims. Yes, all these countries have agreed in the treaty to 'work together', and not to pursue their claims for now . . . but they have not ever entirely extinguished their claims. And they have most been careful to maintain bases and other means to assert their claims if they ever want to.
#2 How difficult it is to get the necessary permits depends on your flag state. It is much easier if you are UK flagged, and extremely difficult if you are US flagged. Some countries believed that limited antarctic tourism was beneficial for raising awareness, while the US believed it should be only for scientific purposes and practically speaking did not believe issue ANY permits for cruising trips - only for 'vetted scientific expeditions'.
And the government
permitting is only one component of the required red tape for antarctic cruising. The whole thing is in fact difficult (for a one-off private cruising voyage), and the majority of private/non-commercial boats that cruise
there don't bother completing the whole rigmarole, and there is no real enforcement mechanism unless someone becomes a really bad actor (as berserk was).
I personally doubt these permits practically speaking do much to "to ensure the well-being of the continent and safety
of people travelling." except as a potential barrier to entry.
I might comment . . . if you are looking to be alone in an anchor
then the antarctic peninsula is not the place to go. There are not so many secure anchorages, and there is a decently large charter
boats and cruise ship
business going there, so you are almost always sharing an anchorage with 2 or more other boats. S Georgia
is a better bet (which has its entire own set of red tape and fees).