450: Purchasing and Commissioning

[impi]

Originally Posted by D&D

This (and other posts before) is the exact description of the L440 reefing lines. So it sounds like the reefing setup was carried through unchanged after the other design modifications.

We note roetter's remarks above particularly to warn others not to allow the blocks to make contact with the boom. Under stress (the type of conditions associated with reefing, of course!) the block can bang against the boom resulting almost certainly in damage to the sheaves, or possibly worse damage to the block itself.

We find it works to haul the luff down until the desired block is positioned just above (but still clear of) the boom (or, in the case of the third reef, the anchor is fixed) and then cleat off the halyard before hauling in on the reefing line to bring the leech to a position also just above the boom.

Another tip is to ensure the lower reefing lines are secured, i.e. the first reefing line is secured when sailing with the second reef, to minimise wind (or, worse, water) creeping into the lower, reefed portion of the sail.

Happy sailing all you L450's! Sounds like there's already a fair few of you!

What we found worked really well for us regarding reeding positions ....

We had reflective marks / strips put on the mainsail at each reeding position ....

A similar mark on the mast......

Reef down until the two line up and you then know the blocks are clear of the boom ....

We also have 'tags, stitched on, so in heavier weather we can use a strop to secure the main and release the tension off the reeding blocks and lines....

That works for us anyway ...

[gpshephe]

This is not sailing, it's living in the suburbs.

[gonzemoi]

Originally Posted by gpshephe

This is not sailing, it's living in the suburbs.

Very useful... thanks for your valuable feedback.. we all benefit from your wise words and experience.. Merry Christmas

[brainmaker]

Hi Roetter and Monte


Re Solar panels - having chosen both the Lagoon 3x135W and installed as many solar panels as I could on the hard bimini of my 380 premium July 2011, I am now designing a system for the next boat - a L400 - which will not use the lagoon solar panel system on top of the davits - as indeed it takes away the view too much - and also when you are working near the dinghy it gets in the way. Also it does add extra weight to the davits. I must however say - that I would get them if I would get a 380 - why ? Those davits solar panels, combined with the solar panels I put on the bimini, and the double capacity of batteries I installed, ensure I always always have plenty of power, I never plug in - not even in winter when there is less sun and I run my heater (which uniquely is plumbed into a different and bigger 3 coil calorifier :-) which is the absolute best to have hoooot long showers)


But - with the 400 having one coachroof and bimini roof combined - I will leave out the (indeed quite expensive) Lagoon solar panel frame on davits (for the view) and put as many solar panels (walk on type) on the hard coach/biminiroof as I can possibly have fitted, also the 400 will have a generator and airco .. so need solar a bit less possibly.

I would also not get the square top sail again - although it did work ok.


Other than that, the 380 sails very well ... probably better than the 400 ... circular sofa does my head in though. Owner stateroom is excellent - and with 160cm wide bed I probably will make the 140 cm (and even narrower at footend) bed in the 400 full width - just with Ikea slatbottoms and matrass standard rectangular. Nice extra storage where the "sidestep" is then covered. And this silly halfheight cupboard in the "dead corner" in the saloon will become full height. But only if I can get a perfect carpentry job organized.


Biggest single useful invention I did for the 380 are the bow locker shelves - full width see 05:38 onwards

[brainmaker]

Sorry somehow the last bit of my post got cut off. Thanks to Roetter and Yeloya for the useful info on technical matters concerning airco and generator stuff.

Anymore info on electrical toilets yes or no appreciated (noise not a problem !) And how good or bad is the 400 creaking issue ??!

[careka]

And thank you "Brainmaker" for the nice films. keep making more.......

[roetter]

Hi Brainmaker

I have been wondering about the electrical toilets too. Our dealer recommended against getting the Lagoon ones (Jabsco) - too loud. He is recommending a vacuum one and use freshwater for flushing. I don't want to run the generator though to flush the toilets. Makes no sense. I have looked at others, but could not decide yet. I will get along with the regular ones for a while and hope to find advise I can trust while underway. I don't expect it to be difficult to switch them out while underway.

Just ordered a Spectra Newport 400 water maker for Next Life.

Less than 3 months to go.

Rolf

[roetter]

Does anybody know if the Lagoon LEDs are dimmable with an electronic dimmer llke this?

[careka]

Originally Posted by roetter

Does anybody know if the Lagoon LEDs are dimmable with an electronic dimmer llke this?

i am leaving the standard as they are, and adding dimmable where i need them from this manufac.

prebit - Anbauleuchten

i did look at them @ hamburg boatshow this nov, and they look good, most imp, my wife liked them

[roetter]

Originally Posted by careka

i am leaving the standard as they are, and adding dimmable where i need them from this manufac.

prebit - Anbauleuchten

i did look at them @ hamburg boatshow this nov, and they look good, most imp, my wife liked them

They look really nice, but I am wanting to dim the lights in the cockpit.

[careka]

i just have to link you to this Lagoon 747, with a wing of Solars.

Let

this is a bit much.

[careka]

Do anyone know what Speck the anchor chain has, that comes with the Lagoon.
i have 75meter off 10mm, but don't know the speck ?
Is it G-30 or G-40 ?

[gonzemoi]

Originally Posted by PaulinOz

Confirm what batteries are being installed, I had 4 x 140 aH Tudor wet / vented truck batteries in my new L421 that lasted less than 6 months and have just been replaced with Lifeline agm's. No matter what source for charging you have you need something that will hold that charge to be usable.

Does anyone know the manufacturer recommended Floatingvoltage for the tudor 140 ah that lagoon installs ?? 13.8v? 13.2v?

Thanks.

Gonzalo

[careka]

13,7, -- 13.8 is what the book is saying,
but remember to don't take then below 12,2volt if you do there will be a short life, if they are used all the time.

you can try to read in here, use google to translate.

Exide Technologies och Tudor, batterier och ladda

[gonzemoi]

Originally Posted by careka

13,7, -- 13.8 is what the book is saying,
but remember to don't take then below 12,2volt if you do there will be a short life, if they are used all the time.

you can try to read in here, use google to translate.

Exide Technologies och Tudor, batterier och ladda

Thanks for such quick reply...

after looking through the website you suggested I assume that lagoon installs the Exide Equipment for service and Exide start for engine ?

thanks..