General Info: New FP42 Sail Cat

[rom]

Originally Posted by d95sld95

Price list attached

ok so the base price at about 350kEUR is pretty close to that of the L450S at about 375kEUR. So I guess it is quite some more than its main competitor, the very successful lagoon 42 (?) I think FP has always been a bit higher priced than lagoon but there I am wondering how many they can sell at such a price...

[LeeV]

A dealer kindly contacted me yesterday with photos and the video of the New 42, and the two major "come-aways" I got were:

1. "The correct new pricing on the Helia 44 is $477,478 for the base boat and the New 42 base boat is $420,901.," and

2. "The New 42 is a replacement for the Helia 44 so there are only a few more production slots left of the Helia 44."

Regards,

[skeeter99]

They really need to get with the program and have a hard top dodger in place over the helm like Lagoon has on the 42 and 450S and Leopard has on virtually all of their models. They just make so much more sense to come factory made, the lines will flow more smoothly than if done aftermarket and you aren't drilling into and modifying the deck of your brand new boat!

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by skeeter99

They really need to get with the program and have a hard top dodger in place over the helm like Lagoon has on the 42 and 450S and Leopard has on virtually all of their models. They just make so much more sense to come factory made, the lines will flow more smoothly than if done aftermarket and you aren't drilling into and modifying the deck of your brand new boat!

The New FP 42 does have an option for a Helm Hard Top

[skeeter99]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

The New FP 42 does have an option for a Helm Hard Top

Is that the "Bimini for helm station" listed on the pricing sheet? I didn't see a hard top option unless that's what they're referring to

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by skeeter99

Is that the "Bimini for helm station" listed on the pricing sheet? I didn't see a hard top option unless that's what they're referring to

New FP 42 Helm Hard Top is in the FP price sheet.

[Brav]

Originally Posted by Steve_C

I love the way it looks, and its hard to believe they have that much interior room. It looks like a larger vessel.

My concerns are the fact that its specs show a shorter, narrower cat than the Helia. It has more draft, less sail area and yet weighs more. This seems to be a trend with a lot of the new cats from Lagoon and FP. Be interesting to see how it performs.

Thanks for the pics, I wish it was going to be in Miami in a few weeks, but its probably a ways off!

Disappointing stats that you describe.. hopefully it can perform somehow on par with Helia. Love everything else about it.

[Jim Woodall]

My guess is the FP 42 will be a very successful catamaran. At the 2017 Annapolis Boat Show a couple of FP dealers/brokers were talking about the FP 42 and that the Lagoon 42 had proven there is an untapped market for 42' catamarans. Lagoon 42's are now 18 months or more out for new orders. I think hull #'s on order are now well over hull #350 and approaching hull #400. I don't think anyone anticipated how great the demand would be for a new 42' production cruising catamaran. FP will certainly bite into that demand with this new boat.

It will be interesting to see exactly how much of the Lagoon 42 market the FP 42 will take. I've now had one Lagoon 42 delivered and I ordered a second about 5 months ago that is due out of the factory in June 2018 (I had to trade up build slots to move from February 2019 to June 2018). I priced both my boats against the FP 42 price list. For my two orders the FP came out $61K more and $85K more respectively or 12% - 16% higher for, as close as I could come, to the exact same configuration and options. The price of the FP 42 will put it at the midpoint (price wise) between a Lagoon 42 and Lagoon 450. Still a good bit less than the Helia.

I think there will definitely be a market, but it's an expensive 42' production catamaran.

After posting this my wife read it and pointed out I had not figured in the delivery charge and several items of post-delivery commissioning for the FP 42, that were part of the final pricing on both Lagoon 42's. So the FP 42 is actually closer to $86K and $110K more. That makes it 16% to 20% more expensive.

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by Jim Woodall

I've now had one Lagoon 42 delivered and I ordered a second about 5 months ago.....

So are you a Lagoon dealer, that you’ve ordered two?

[Jim Woodall]

Originally Posted by LeeV

So are you a Lagoon dealer, that you’ve ordered two?

No, I'm not a dealer. Our first 42 was a total loss to Irma on Tortola. We were fortunate to recover 100% through insurance, hence the second order. Our first order was placed in June, 2016 and our second in October, 2017. The total difference in price for the exact same options was about $35K (included increase of $22K for base boat). We decided on a few additional upgrades on the new order; therefore, our two 42's will differ significantly in final price.

[Thalas]

Originally Posted by LeeV

2. "The New 42 is a replacement for the Helia 44 so there are only a few more production slots left of the Helia 44."

Regards,

Are they going to introduce a new 44' cat?

Increments of 2 feet seem too small to me. I would have Guessed 40', 43', 47' (which is really a 46') and 50'. The 42' makes the Lucia seem superfluous. But 42' to 47' seems like too big a jump in the line. I would love to see a new Helia with the design elements of the Saona. Hopefully, with Saba to follow.

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by Jim Woodall

No, I'm not a dealer. Our first 42 was a total loss to Irma on Tortola. We were fortunate to recover 100% through insurance, hence the second order. Our first order was placed in June, 2016 and our second in October, 2017. The total difference in price for the exact same options was about $35K (included increase of $22K for base boat). We decided on a few additional upgrades on the new order; therefore, our two 42's will differ significantly in final price.

Ahh, I recall now. I’m glad it’s working out for you.

[jbinbi]

My FP dealer in the states quotes in euros. Dollar has weakened quite a bit in the last year. It was at 1.1 then now it's at 1.24. Lagoon sells in $ and so far hasn't raised priced due to the strong euro. A Lucia 40 with genset and a.c. is now very close to 500 delivered to the U.S.. at least that is what my dealer is quoting.

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by jbinbi

My FP dealer in the states quotes in euros. Dollar has weakened quite a bit in the last year. It was at 1.1 then now it's at 1.24. Lagoon sells in $ and so far hasn't raised priced due to the strong euro. A Lucia 40 with genset and a.c. is now very close to 500 delivered to the U.S.. at least that is what my dealer is quoting.

Yikes. By the time we're ready, if we can even continue sailing, our purchase will be priced out and we'll have to look for a used version.

[Heath68]

Does anyone have any information on this? I for one would be very interested in seeing whether the base price (or with the plethora of options available now that probably weren't considered 10years ago) of say a 40/44 or 50 ft cat has gone up over the years. I wonder what the crash and inflation has done to it (sorry if this a little off thread)