Composters: Where do you dump the Poo?

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by rwidman

That's misleading in this context. Of course it meets the no discharge requirements. So does a bucket. It's when you empty either one that it's in violation.

Again, how much hand-holding do you people need? This is the DEFINITION of a Type III system. Yes, a bucket works just as well (legally speaking). No compost user has ever said otherwise to my knowledge. If you have an example to the contrary, please point to it.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by rwidman

If you say so. In civilized countries it is treated.

nope wrong. Victoria Canada discharges directly into the straights of Juan De fuca.
Are you saying Canada is not a civilized country?

[rwidman]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Again, how much hand-holding do you people need? This is the DEFINITION of a Type III system. Yes, a bucket works just as well (legally speaking). No compost user has ever said otherwise to my knowledge. If you have an example to the contrary, please point to it.

Hand holding? You are the guy who posted something in a misleading way.

Perhaps you could post and be a little less insulting.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by rwidman

Hand holding? You are the guy who posted something in a misleading way.

Perhaps you could post and be a little less insulting.

How is saying blue is blue misleading ?

The definition of a Type III head is exactly as stated by myself and others. Anyone operating a standard marine head with holding tank is operating a Type III head.

You are implying I (and other posters) are obfuscating. THIS is insulting. How much clearer do I have to be? A composting head is a TYPE III MARINE HEAD.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by newhaul

nope wrong. Victoria Canada discharges directly into the straights of Juan De fuca.
Are you saying Canada is not a civilized country?

Sadly, there are a number of “civilized” places that direct discharge. I don’t agree with it, but it is a fact … much like a composting head is a Type III head.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by rwidman

Hand holding? You are the guy who posted something in a misleading way.

Perhaps you could post and be a little less insulting.

perhaps for once in a composting thread you could actually either answer the op's direct question or just remain silent due to not having any experience with handling of the emptying of the contents of the composting bin on a composting toilet.
Also mike did not post anything misleading that seems to be the department of individuals with no stated actual experience with composting toilets etal.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Sadly, there are a number of “civilized” places that direct discharge. I don’t agree with it, but it is a fact … much like a composting head is a Type III head.

I thoroughly agree with you and sorry for the Canadian sewage reference .( first one that comes to mind for me here in the pnw)

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by rwidman

If you say so. In civilized countries it is treated.

Canada, Europe and the Med seem quite "civilized," direct discharge happens in these places all the time and is the norm. When I visited Venice, Italy a few weeks ago, it seemed very "civilized."

[Mike OReilly]

Just for those who struggle with logic, my response to Badsanta started when he thanked Jackheape for this post, calling it “the first Honest description of use and disposal of a composting head":

We have a Natures Head toilet. It is a Class III MSD, which means that you can't dump it overboard (even composted) within 3 miles of shore

I pointed out that no compost user has ever said anything different. And I added that the Nature’s Head website states this explicitly as well. Hell, I ran a poll a few months ago where I also EXPLICITLY identified composting heads as, drum roll, a TYPE III marine head. So how much cleared do we have to be???

No compost head owner has ever stated you can dump the tank within the 3-mile limit. No composting head owner has ever misled anyone on the use of these heads. The only people who continually mislead people about composting heads are a very few folks here who don’t cruise with them, and have little actual knowledge.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Canada, Europe and the Med seem quite "civilized," direct discharge happens in these places all the time and is the norm. When I visited Venice, Italy a few weeks ago, it seemed very "civilized."

HEY!?!, for once on one of these composting heads, we actually agree!

… is there some sort of planetary alignment going on

[jkindredpdx]

I live in Oregon. I'm planning an extended trip next spring to the BC coast for the first time since installing a composting toilet. Is my Composting Toilet legal in Canada? What do I need to demonstrate regarding my storage of Poo and Urine? What poo and urine storage control do I need to demonstrate when checking back into the US??

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by jkindredpdx

I live in Oregon. I'm planning an extended trip next spring to the BC coast for the first time since installing a composting toilet. Is my Composting Toilet legal in Canada? What do I need to demonstrate regarding my storage of Poo and Urine? What poo and urine storage control do I need to demonstrate when checking back into the US??

same as with any other head you have to show that you are not discharging raw sewage overboard. That is if they even ask beyond telling them you have a composter. When I have been inspected they see my composter and ask if it is a composting head I tell them yes and that was the end of it.

[Mike OReilly]

jkindredpdx, my understanding of our Canadian law is they are perfectly legal (Type III MSD) in salt water. They exist in a bit of a grey zone in our fresh water seas (the Great Lakes), but I have operated on there for years with ZERO problems.

[peghall]

There's no "gray zone in either country. US 33 CFR 159.3 defines a Type III MSD as "a device that is designed to prevent the overboard discharge of treated or untreated sewage or any waste derived from sewage." Composting/dessicating/litterboxes meet that requirement and are recognized and accepted as Type IIIs in the Great Lakes on both sides of the border. And in Canadian coastal waters too...however, the Maritime Provinces aren't that concerned about it. With tides between 3 and 16 meters they don't have to be.

[Kelkara]

Originally Posted by peghall

There's no "gray zone in either country. US 33 CFR 159.3 defines a Type III MSD as "a device that is designed to prevent the overboard discharge of treated or untreated sewage or any waste derived from sewage." Composting/dessicating/litterboxes meet that requirement and are recognized and accepted as Type IIIs in the Great Lakes on both sides of the border. And in Canadian coastal waters too...however, the Maritime Provinces aren't that concerned about it. With tides between 3 and 16 meters they don't have to be.

Unfortunately Ontario is a little more draconian in their regulations, and they require that the *only* means of removal of toilet waste is a deck pump-out ... which is kind of hard to do with a composter.