French taxes keeping visiting boats away..

[Flyingriki]

Don't see why anyone would want to leave Sardinia. What a fabulous place! Heading back some day soon....

[rognvald]

"France shoots itself in the foot again playing the socialist card. What you say is not true. This move is motivated by politics, not by a desire to follow rules.

Are they still trying to reduce the maximum working week to below 35 hours still? " Poiu


Outstanding response, Poiu! Some people will never accept reality and will continue to view the world through rose colored glasses. Good luck and safe sailing.

[MartinMV]

How can a country be called socialist, if 10% of the population own more then 50% of all assets? And how if the over 50% of the population own nothing?

Socialism is a system were the assets are in the hand of the people and differences between living conditions and personal ownings are minimal.

It is the pathway to communism, where people would not have any personal property but share everything for the good of all.

I can't find the exact numbers from France but in Germany the richest 1% own over 30% of all to own. And the numbers are increasing with every passing year and that process even speeding up no matter what "socialist" laws are passed. And this while 50% of the population own nothing.

The situation in Germany is from the capitalist point of view better than in France. In France the averange weath is higher than in Germany and the poverty rate lower and the standards of work better compared to Germany or the US.

But it is by no way socialist. And the develoment of assets heads very much to the other direction with an ever increasing speed in France as well.

I know people who grew up in Eastern German socialism. They all would go back today if they could.

Of course those do not belong to the 1% profiting most for freemarket capitalism but to the 99% that would live better in almost every other system.

I can understand that expences in a marina do make people angry. But it is not socialism. It is a system of weath accumulation in few hands with a ever growing need to get more funds from the averange people to hand it to the rich mostly by the means of usery.

[Cherod]

Originally Posted by Pilou

Whether you like it or not, France has a democratically elected President also a democratically elected Parliament, both elected by direct universal suffrage.

Our electoral system, in which both President and parliament are elected by direct universal suffrages, is very rare in the world, moreover the people of France recently voted overwhelmingly for the actual president and parliament.

One person's freedom ends where another's begins then whether you like our president, government and parliament or not, please respect the free expression of the will of the French voters, France doesn't need any lessons of democracy from you.

Well said , American " democracy " gets Trump , !!!

[Cherod]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Of course, the original comment wasn't comparing france to North Korea. It was simply stating that just because you don't live there doesn't mean you can't know something about a place but feel free to get indignant anyway.

Feel free to " know " what American propaganda tells you

[Pilou]

Originally Posted by Shrubb

Interesting comments... but by no means based on facts ! For information, these ugly "taxes" have nothing to do with French devotion to socialist trends, but are only the result of European laws and rules' mandatory enforcement in each EU country. Italy and Spain are just somewhat reluctant to comply quickly, and this is profitable for them for this season. But they will be obliged to apply the same rules soon. This is common in the Union where past sovereign behaviors still are alive, and the mega-yachts only follow the cheapest spot for their expenses. They will be back some day.
Huh, did CNN not explain that ?

Très bien dit, cher voisin.

Je suis sincèrement désolé pour ton bateau. Bon courage et bonne chance pour l'avenir.

[Cottontop]

Originally Posted by MartinMV

In France . . . the standards of work better compared to Germany or the US.

If you can find a job. Youth unemployment:

France - 21.6%
US - 9.1%
Germany - 6.7%

[Pilou]

Originally Posted by rognvald

"France shoots itself in the foot again playing the socialist card. What you say is not true. This move is motivated by politics, not by a desire to follow rules.

Are they still trying to reduce the maximum working week to below 35 hours still? " Poiu

Outstanding response, Poiu! Some people will never accept reality and will continue to view the world through rose colored glasses. Good luck and safe sailing.

Sir,
You never been to France, you don't know the country, you don't know our recently elected political institutions (guess what ? The Socialist Party crashed down to just 29 seats from 280 previously) , you don't know our local culture and our society neither some French language (which would allow you to watch French tv news and read French newspapers from your computer or tablet), you have no knowledge at all of our social system, of our educational system, of our ranked #1 health and retirement system, as well you have no skill about our unique hybrid presidential and parliamentary systems what is more consensual than in most countries, you even don't know the exact definition of the word "socialist", but you have no problem to criticize our state also our new president, new parliament, new government, and to give lessons.

I don't know who view the world through rose colored glasses, but it seems to me than you view it through a clown mask.

Sir, I trust you are a nice person then quite frankly I deplore your bias. But anyway, you too, got a complimentary ticket for the Grand Opening.

[rognvald]

Originally Posted by Pilou

Sir,
You never been to France, you don't know the country, you don't know our recently elected political institutions (guess what ? The Socialist Party crashed down to just 29 seats from 280 previously) , you don't know our local culture and our society neither some French language (which would allow you to watch French tv news and read French newspapers from your computer or tablet), you have no knowledge at all of our social system, of our educational system, of our ranked #1 health and retirement system, as well you have no skill about our unique hybrid presidential and parliamentary systems what is more consensual than in most countries, you even don't know the exact definition of the word "socialist", but you have no problem to criticize our state also our new president, new parliament, new government, and to give lessons.

I don't know who view the world through rose colored glasses, but it seems to me than you view it through a clown mask.

Sir, I trust you are a nice person then quite frankly I deplore your bias. But anyway, you too, got a complimentary ticket for the Grand Opening.

Hi, Pilou,
Let me first begin with a compliment: I admire your patriotism and your love of France. This is what is sadly being lost not only in Europe but also in the US. Perhaps under new leadership, France can once again regain its lost glory that diminished after WWI and basically died at the end of WWII. However, the problems facing France (politically and economically) and the potential loss of her culture through unfettered immigration will make the job very difficult, indeed. Secondly, let me also compliment you on your amazing powers as a "seer" . . that is one who knows everything about a person with no knowledge of the person other than words written on a sailing Forum. Do you know I have never been to France? Do you know I don't have relatives that live in France? How can you possibly have this knowledge about me? When I referenced earlier that one does not have to go to France to know its politics, I believe you completely misconstrued this statement, as other have pointed out, especially in the parallel I made to North Korea. Intelligent debate does not include unsupportable statements as you have just made. Finally, your remarks about what is "Socialism" and its bizarre definition provided by Martin are truly not worthy of a response and I will ask the intelligent, educated readers among us to draw their own conclusions based on the historical reality of European Socialism, in general, and its easily accessed academic definition. Anything more, will certainly tax the reader and provide no real added benefit to this debate. Good luck and safe sailing . . .and "Vive La France!" You're going to need it.

[Tomahawk]

I just got this in from Belgian customs:-

Dear Sir,

In addition to our e-mail of this morning, I can inform you that all the controls on red fuel in pleasure yachts are suspended awaiting a European meeting of Indirect Tax experts in September. During this meeting this matter will be discussed in order to try and reach a consensus and common approach on this matter. If the suspension is uplifted or should the situation change, the British Royal Yachting Association will be informed in order to be able to inform its members. They should already be aware of the suspension of controls at this time.

Sincerely,


Dienst PR&C - Communicatie AAD&A
Service RP&C - Communication AAD&A

[SV THIRD DAY]

Does anyone remember the 1980's Luxury Tax on Yachts and Planes...killed thousand of good middle/upper-class jobs...

Econ 101:
If you want less of something Tax It.
If you want more of something Subsidize It.

[Pilou]

Originally Posted by rognvald

Hi, Pilou,
Let me first begin with a compliment: I admire your patriotism and your love of France. This is what is sadly being lost not only in Europe but also in the US. Perhaps under new leadership, France can once again regain its lost glory that diminished after WWI and basically died at the end of WWII. However, the problems facing France (politically and economically) and the potential loss of her culture through unfettered immigration will make the job very difficult, indeed. Secondly, let me also compliment you on your amazing powers as a "seer" . . that is one who knows everything about a person with no knowledge of the person other than words written on a sailing Forum. Do you know I have never been to France? Do you know I don't have relatives that live in France? How can you possibly have this knowledge about me? When I referenced earlier that one does not have to go to France to know its politics, I believe you completely misconstrued this statement, as other have pointed out, especially in the parallel I made to North Korea. Intelligent debate does not include unsupportable statements as you have just made. Finally, your remarks about what is "Socialism" and its bizarre definition provided by Martin are truly not worthy of a response and I will ask the intelligent, educated readers among us to draw their own conclusions based on the historical reality of European Socialism, in general, and its easily accessed academic definition. Anything more, will certainly tax the reader and provide no real added benefit to this debate. Good luck and safe sailing . . .and "Vive La France!" You're going to need it.

You didn't ask what I meant by 'The Grand Opening'. But I will tell you :

The Grand Opening of my Ignore List, of course

[Cherod]

Originally Posted by rognvald

Hi, Pilou,
Let me first begin with a compliment: I admire your patriotism and your love of France. This is what is sadly being lost not only in Europe but also in the US. Perhaps under new leadership, France can once again regain its lost glory that diminished after WWI and basically died at the end of WWII. However, the problems facing France (politically and economically) and the potential loss of her culture through unfettered immigration will make the job very difficult, indeed. Secondly, let me also compliment you on your amazing powers as a "seer" . . that is one who knows everything about a person with no knowledge of the person other than words written on a sailing Forum. Do you know I have never been to France? Do you know I don't have relatives that live in France? How can you possibly have this knowledge about me? When I referenced earlier that one does not have to go to France to know its politics, I believe you completely misconstrued this statement, as other have pointed out, especially in the parallel I made to North Korea. Intelligent debate does not include unsupportable statements as you have just made. Finally, your remarks about what is "Socialism" and its bizarre definition provided by Martin are truly not worthy of a response and I will ask the intelligent, educated readers among us to draw their own conclusions based on the historical reality of European Socialism, in general, and its easily accessed academic definition. Anything more, will certainly tax the reader and provide no real added benefit to this debate. Good luck and safe sailing . . .and "Vive La France!" You're going to need it.

( semi ) interesting that someone who hails from a " country " which was founded by immigrants conquering subjugating and the almost total genocide of the indigenous peoples and culture of that land which you now call your " country " should attempt to lecture another national on their immigration policy or their loss of a culture , and attempt to lecture on economics systems when their own economy is based on a war industry which exploits their own poor by their own rich at the total disregard for the people / ( victims ) of the country's which they choose to reign war and terror upon .

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Cherod

Feel free to " know " what American propaganda tells you

So you are saying unless you live long term in a location, you can't know anything.

Makes it kind of hard to have a discussion on much of anything.

PS: I bounce around between media sources (NBC/Fox/BBC/etc) and form my own opinion.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by MartinMV

How can a country be called socialist, if 10% of the population own more then 50% of all assets? And how if the over 50% of the population own nothing?

Socialism is a system were the assets are in the hand of the people and differences between living conditions and personal ownings are minimal.

Are you going to go by the technical definition or the real world definition?

Russia & China are still officially communist but per the definition what they have is nothing close to communism. Very similar with western European socialism.

Of course, the USA isn't pure capitalism either. Never was. Never claimed to be. Pure capitalism (like pure any system) is very dangerous.