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Old 31-07-2020, 08:35   #16
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Re: Worst Med Mooring Ever - Just when you think you've seen everything!!

Never understood why people feel compelled to try to dock or med moor when conditions are not favorable, especially when they are seemingly rather incompetent or inexperienced. Hells bells, just stay out on the open water until the situational factors avails easier procedures. The boat does fine just floating away from shore and other boats.

This appears to be a dreadful case of "Having to get Thereitis", if there ever was one. Schedules should not be permitted on a boat, leave them ashore. Just as it is not wise to head out under adverse condition, it may also be not wise at the conclusion of a voyage / passage to attempt landing; assess if it is good time to approach shore or to defer approach. E.g. if a bar is dangerous you don't cross it. If docking / mooring conditions are subject to crashing, just don't. How hard is that to understand?!!!!! Even if you successfully accomplish such all that you have proven is that you are reckless. There is no pride to be had or admiration to be given when someone chooses and then successfully concludes a dangerous action. Stupid is stupid and there is no fixing stupid, albeit damaged boats, yeah they can be fixed.

Wow, so glad to see no one appeared to get hurt. Loads of opportunities for persons on the boat attempting to moor and for the persons on the moored boats to have gotten hurt. Not on my boat, I instruct everyone to stay away, much rather have the boat take a beating versus a person being put into endangerment. I get the good intentions and desire to mitigate damage by fending and pushing off, but the skipper has to control the crew and bystanders telling them to just stand off in a place of safety [down below is usually a good place], out of sight is out of mind. Way too many people out of their minds.

There was a moment when the boat tangled with what appeared to be the bow mooring line of the other boat and that line needed to be released with crew assistance which task by itself could have been a highly dangerous task when the line was underload, a person could easily have gotten entangled in it. But I am perplexed how that bow mooring line could have been pulled so far to the moored boats starboard fore quarter, I would have thought it would have been under a lot of tension so as to keep the moored boat from drifting aft into the quay. Where did the slack derive from to avail that line to go sideways when the out of control boat throttled forward? A tensioned bow line also aids in fending off a boat that is drifted across one's bow as it should lays on the line, think of it being a "fender rode" running at an angle from the bow down to the seabed.

Engagement in some disciplined calmness would have been good for all parties involved.

That skipper is probably dangerous pushing a shopping cart; throttling about like he was in a demolition derby.

I recall my Sea Scout Skipper teaching each of us youngsters to merely hold position against wind and currents with the 63 foot power boat. STOP the Boat. First learning to control the boat so it doesn't move off of station soon translated to become skilled in controlling when and where you wanted it to gently move off station. Docking or coming alongside another boat became a matter of intentionally NOT holding a station safely away from something you did not want to bump hard against, the boats movement thence being logically and tactfully thinking rather the opposite of attempting to navigate towards the mooring position. Move from not to. Slow motion, minimizes inertia.

I also remember when us youngsters Skippies / skippers in training, would each be given our turn to at the helm, the Sea Scout Skipper under adverse conditions would calm himself and all of us by singing a parody of Buffalo Springfield's song titled "For What It is Worth" with the lyrics changed to become along the lines of:

There's something happening here
What it is, ain't exactly clear
There's a boy with a boat over there
Something's telling me he's got to be aware
I think it's time WE STOP, Children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down.

There's mooring lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from the tide.

It's time we STOPPED
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're become afraid
Ship gets out of line, the wind comes and take you away.

[Chorus]
We better STOP
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going
We better STOP
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going
We better STOP
Now, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going
We better STOP Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look our ship's going towards down.



The truly cool thing about a boat is that it will drift down, down wind, down tide. One can assess ahead of time and in real time where DOWN is and why your baby will head towards DOWN.

One just needs to "Get Down With That". Time for a bit of K.C. and the Sunshine Band.

Baby, baby let's get together
Honey, honey me and you
And do the things, oh, do the things
That we like to do.
Do a little dance, make a little bump, get down, get down, get down, get down, etc.

It is rather amazing how much more coordinated and less stressful a docking maneuver became when we all sang to the same tune. It starts when Everybody looks what's going down. Be assured we all did go bump, but learned from each instance and always no one was allowed to be put into endangerment, so no one got hurt. Rub rails, got to learn to love your rub rails. If one asks: What's that sound? Well For What It's Worth that be the sound of the ship running against something. And No, it is not "The Sound of Silence."

You can pretty much find a song suitable for all occasions.

In this instance, at the end of the day, most everyone should have said: "Sorry for the things I said and the things we done, when we were docking the boat."
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Old 31-07-2020, 10:25   #17
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Never understood why people feel compelled to try to dock or med moor when conditions are not favorable, ...

This is the only way you can dock there.


Their boats are built the way that they can only disembark through the transom, too.


"They do not know better" so to say.



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Old 31-07-2020, 10:31   #18
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That's what insurance is for. Nothing to get upset about IMO

Held a 14/15m mono broadside on my port bow in a 30knts breeze in Ibiza. Spanish guy anchoring in the typcial Spanish fashion. He dragged into me and my bow went through his window.

Gave thanked me for saving his boat (I tied it up alongside) and gave me a bottle ruhm. All good, no worries.
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Well.


If you are in one of those pictured charter boats, then sure there is the insurance and that's that (although in the video I think it came close to getting SOMEONE injured).


BUT if you are in your own boat and only happened to dock just next to an idiot like this one ...


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Old 31-07-2020, 10:47   #20
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Re: Worst Med Mooring Ever - Just when you think you've seen everything!!

He just needed a bigger prop and a more powerful engine. Not having enough thrust naturally leads to these types of situations. If only he could have powered out of this predicament.
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Yes.


He or she was clearly under-powered. You can see it from the wash behind the boat.


I also think there was only one bow thruster on this particular boat. A cheap charter boat, clearly. Most discerning owners these days opt for six thrusters and at least 10 hp per ton of displacement.


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Old 31-07-2020, 12:12   #22
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Re: Worst Med Mooring Ever - Just when you think you've seen everything!!

After the first foul, your supposed to go sit in the penalty box for a bit.

ie: get out of a position that will allow you to keep fouling, then regroup, and then try again

after the second foul, you probably should just anchor out and dinghy in
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This is the only way you can dock there.


Their boats are built the way that they can only disembark through the transom, too.


"They do not know better" so to say.



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Yeah, I know that quay and boat are set up for aft end in med mooring, been there done that.

What I was trying to convey is if there is a strong wind that will push your boat down into the adjoining boats and particularly lay you sideways, that discretion is the better option and just don't try to bring the boat in since it can go off course and hit the other boats.

Your first responsibility is to not risk damaging or endangering others. The second responsibility is safeguarding your own vessel and persons on board. Placing a boat into a slot, forward or backwards with an adverse wind is a risky effort. I have seen highly skilled skippers mess up because the wind or tide got them sideways and they end up pinned sideway across the bows of med moored vessels. Their action was reckless, the boat was put into a position wherein the wind would drive it onto others. That is unacceptable and I don't care how many times someone has been successful at it before because guess what there will be that time when they are not successful and their decision to place the boat into potential hazard is uncalled for. One just defers med mooring, or docking until conditions improve or goes elsewhere. If the wind was such that it would drift them away from the quay there would be much less risk to the moored boats but that is not what the situation was in the video.

It's kind of like not wearing a mask or not following social distancing protocols during a pandemic, you should not put others at risk for your own selfish reasons. The damn boat does not need to be shoehorned into a mooring space when the conditions may not favor accomplishing such, unless there was some truly compelling reason, e.g., a medical emergency on board.

Geez it's like driving on ice, sometimes there will be no crashing and other
times gravity or momentum will override any and all efforts of the driver. As the Highway Patrol in Montana will answer if you ask them how fast can I drive on the highway when it is covered with snow? They will respond how fast do you want to go into the ditch alongside the road or head on into oncoming traffic. Tends to sober ones decisions when you put your head around first and foremost deterring risk and there are zero valid excuses if there is failure.
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Oh sure... no matter that it would spoil your cruise by tying your boat up in the yard for a month while an ill-trained worker stuffs around doing a mediocre job of fixing the
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Oh sure... no matter that it would spoil your cruise by tying your boat up in the yard for a month while an ill-trained worker stuffs around doing a mediocre job of fixing the
damage. I reckon that I would get upset...

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Whose boat?


All the neighbours look charters too ...

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Oh sure... no matter that it would spoil your cruise by tying your boat up in the yard for a month while an ill-trained worker stuffs around doing a mediocre job of fixing the
damage. I reckon that I would get upset...

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That and the large excess/deductible that many insurance companies impose.
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You may remember: we did not have an 'obligatory third party boat insurance' here before the charter business boomed ...


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Re: Worst Med Mooring Ever - Just when you think you've seen everything!!

That's a very easy maneuver, you don't even need a bow thruster. Go well away from the jetty, drop yr anchor on the starboard of the cat and get back by preparing yr mooring lines aft. That's it..The important is to keep the bow stable, the rest is very easy.
The captain must be fully drunk or simply an idiot. Even if you are not a good captain, with a common sense one can understand that you don't give full speed when you are on an anchor chain or mooring line of someone..

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It's not always so easy. On the Town Quay in Preveza for example, if you drop your anchor out far enough you've got two different currents to deal with as you go astern plus often wind in the 20s.

I also had to go bow to in NE Zakinthos as I had a 17knt cross wind, and with two hulls, a central prop and prop walk the boat will not turn the stern to port in reverse.
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I have some sympathy with the skipper.

I own a 49ft yacht with mighty powerful bowthruster. It reverses beautifully and I steer with the thruster and not the skeg mounted rudder. Never a problem even in strong winds. I have reversed into many Med marinas and quays

A few years ago, I was asked to skipper a charter boat with friends. It was an old Bavaria. So a very flat underside, Saildrive and underpowered bowthruster. On two occasions in strong cross winds I made a complete hash of reversing stern-to. Rather embarrassing as I was meant to know what I was doing. I guess that being "experienced" meant that I did not compound things by trying to power in the wrong direction to make things worse

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