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Old 02-08-2020, 15:18   #61
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Re: Yacht Zatara Arrvies in Fiji

In the news article I linked above, Whitaker is quoted as saying "Yachties are the least risk for COVID spread, all of us are conscientious to the environment, conscientious to culture, conscientious to spreading any kind of disease."

The Zatara mob are none of those things. Whitaker's recent words are the opposite of his statements and behaviour exhibited in the earlier videos. I think he has been stung by the criticism here and on other fora, and is trying to revise the story. But actions speak louder.
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If they'd been positive the serious problems would have begun.. a less forgiving attitude methinks.
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In the news article I linked above, Whitaker is quoted as saying "Yachties are the least risk for COVID spread, all of us are conscientious to the environment, conscientious to culture, conscientious to spreading any kind of disease."

The Zatara mob are none of those things. Whitaker's recent words are the opposite of his statements and behaviour exhibited in the earlier videos. I think he has been stung by the criticism here and on other fora, and is trying to revise the story. But actions speak louder.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize he was an epidemiologist and ecologist. I wonder if he'd be willing to post his credentials. /s


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Well, it is pretty clear that Zatara absolutely did not follow the procedures that Keith and the officials detail in the video. Some folks always try to skate by, and it often works; this is a good case, but listening to Keith talk this through is high hypocricy.
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Logic isn't part of the equation. If it were, then the whole 14 day "quarantine" passage time doesn't stand up to scrutiny. For instance, crew member A gets inflected the day on or just before departure and remains asymptomatic, ten days A inflects crew member B who remains pre symptomatic until after disembarkation.
1. Being asymptomatic doesn't mean the PCR test won't show the presence of the virus in your body. It will.

2. The Fijiian health personnel are testing EVERYBODY ON BOARD TWO DAYS BEFORE THE END OF THEIR QUARANTINE PERIOD. Tests results are known before ANYbody gets off the boat.
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1. Being asymptomatic doesn't mean the PCR test won't show the presence of the virus in your body. It will.

2. The Fijiian health personnel are testing EVERYBODY ON BOARD TWO DAYS BEFORE THE END OF THEIR QUARANTINE PERIOD. Tests results are known before ANYbody gets off the boat.
No need to shout .

Your point proves that the passage time is not a full substitute for quarantine time. Clearly you can't get tested until you arrive regardless of say a 16 day passage time or whatever.
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Re: Yacht Zatara Arrvies in Fiji

Does their latest vid remind anyone of this....

https://www.theguardian.com/film/vid...ustralia-video

If they didn't get their results until after sailing what would have happened if one of them had been asymptomatic? No way forward? No way back?
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No need to shout .

Your pointrly you can't get tested until you arrive regardless of say a 16 day passage time or whatever.
Wrong. My point was that even asymptomatic carriers will test positive. In this instance with Fiji, testing is required before departing previous port, then tested again upon arrival. Zatara did that, it's in their videos.

But don't let the facts bother get in the way of your ranting.
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Wrong. My point was that even asymptomatic carriers will test positive. In this instance with Fiji, testing is required before departing previous port, then tested again upon arrival. Zatara did that, it's in their videos.

But don't let the facts bother get in the way of your ranting.
Wrong???????

I agree that asymptomatic carriers will test positive, I have never suggested otherwise.

Others made the argument that sufficient passage time (14 days) was all that is needed to prove CV19 free. I disagreed with that argument as more is needed and why. As you say you, testing is required before disembarkation - I also agree.

However testing along is not enough, the only important aspect of the test is knowing the result. The Zatara social media record suggests they departed NZ before receiving the results of their NZ departure test.

I must apologise for my poor word-smithing skills as I have never intended to give you cause to consider my opinion on Zatara to be a rant. You do realise it is possible to hold a contrary opinion and still remain civil, frank and communicative.

And let's not forget the inconvenient fact the Zatara crew broke self isolation at Great Barrier Island before departing NZ; it is in their social media records.
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