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FranklinGray 03-10-2012 11:59

Passage from Bahamas to Colombia
 
I plan on checking out of the Bahamas on the southern most Island (Inagua) and then heading directly south between Cuba and Haiti down to Cartagena. I "think" the best weather window would be mid November but I thought I would check the forum to see what others think would be the safest time to cross the Caribbean sea. Thoughts?

Franklin

FranklinGray 03-10-2012 12:32

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Just to add, I know Mid Nov is still officially hurricane season but usually not much occurs after the first week of Nov. I would wait until Dec to be sure but I am kind of concerned about the christmas winds...I hear they can be pretty bad and that area just north of Cartagena is bad enough without a storm. So that is why I "think" mid Nov would be best. Hoping somebody on here can either agree or disagree with some advise.

impi 03-10-2012 12:38

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We are heading down the same route end Feb/ March next year ... yeah ... watching the replies with great interest

FranklinGray 03-10-2012 12:43

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Originally Posted by impi (Post 1050650)
We are heading down the same route end Feb/ March next year ... yeah ... watching the replies with great interest

I did read somewhere that Feb and March are very windy months but I can't remember where. It's good to know I'm not crazy in wanting to take this route. You are the first I've heard besides me wanting to take this route.

On paper is looks like wonderful sail...a reach or broad-reach all the way down. That's what I need. Since I've left Texas, it's been nothing but fighting the wind going east and I'm tired of going east.

Jane.Joy 03-10-2012 14:01

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I don't know about November - but at the beginning of August we sailed Great Inagua to Santa Marta, Colombia (after a quick stop at Ile a Vache, Haiti). We waited for weather both at Great Inagua and at Ile a Vache - good sailing through the Windward Passage - then we sailed south from Haiti between two tropical waves (the second of these became Ernest, but we were safe in Colombia by then). From what I've heard, the Christmas Winds are quite fierce. Even in a good weather window, and before the Christmas Winds, expect 25 knots and 10+ ft seas as you approach Colombia.

jcapo 03-10-2012 14:07

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Also considering spending next summer in Cartagena or Trinidad and then Cartagena.

John

FranklinGray 03-10-2012 14:08

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Originally Posted by Jane.Joy (Post 1050700)
... expect 25 knots and 10+ ft seas as you approach Colombia.

Was it like that when you were there? If so, were the waves more rolling, steep or just a little steep?

FranklinGray 03-10-2012 14:12

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Originally Posted by jcapo (Post 1050707)
Also considering spending next summer in Cartagena or Trinidad and then Cartagena.

John

You mean instead of up here in the Florida/Bahamas area? That was my original plan, but after my beat out to Key West, I decide not to do an 8 day beat to Colombia, so I stayed in Marathon for a while, then Miami for a while and just now got to the Bahamas.

I do plan on spending the next 14 months down around the Colombia/Panama area and then transiting the canal.

jcapo 03-10-2012 14:18

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I need to be out of the hurricane box for insurance purposes. This year in Brunswick, GA and hopefully next year way South. Florida/Bahamas is in the box for me.

John

FranklinGray 03-10-2012 14:24

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Originally Posted by jcapo (Post 1050713)
I need to be out of the hurricane box for insurance purposes. This year in Brunswick, GA and hopefully next year way South. Florida/Bahamas is in the box for me.

John

I totally understand. Me being a single handler and already having a substanual claim in the past, the only insurance I can afford is 4 very good anchors and a good harbour. I pick my harbors carefully as I know what it's like to ride out a hurricane, but when I left, my intention was to be out of the box too but plans so often change, at least for me they do.

Jane.Joy 04-10-2012 01:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FranklinGray (Post 1050708)
Was it like that when you were there? If so, were the waves more rolling, steep or just a little steep?

Big rollers - not steep.

Most of the crossing from Haiti to Colombia was 15-20 knots and 6-8 ft seas, which is about as good as it gets, from what I've heard. The last day, we saw 20-25 knots and 8-10 ft seas - the last night, as we waited for dawn off the coast, we saw 30-35 knots and 12 ft seas.

FranklinGray 04-10-2012 05:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jane.Joy (Post 1051001)
Big rollers - not steep.

Most of the crossing from Haiti to Colombia was 15-20 knots and 6-8 ft seas, which is about as good as it gets, from what I've heard. The last day, we saw 20-25 knots and 8-10 ft seas - the last night, as we waited for dawn off the coast, we saw 30-35 knots and 12 ft seas.


Is the stream current much of an issue? I assume you were on a reach the whole way, right? Average speed?

chuckr 04-10-2012 06:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FranklinGray (Post 1051090)
Is the stream current much of an issue? I assume you were on a reach the whole way, right? Average speed?

we did not go west but came east from panama after visiting cartagana - which is one of the greatest cities around - but there is no stream there - there is a semi permanent lo that sits over colombia and the windy corner can get quite windy - and the winds get worse at night - if they get down to 20k it is a good day -

some folks do the trini thing and then head to grenada to the abcs then cartagena and hope to get far enough off shore to miss the really bad stuff - almost no one is leaving from trini to the abc via venz as way way to dangerous - even the fool hardy are now avoiding venz -

when we were in cartagena a few boats did come in via the bahamas route and they all agreed it was a tuff run but doable - specially if you lay off the windy corner as much as you can -
our runs from panama to cartagena and back were just beautiful sails ---- BUT our run from panama to jamaica had to be delayed until we got a good wx window as the seas and winds were both unmanagable last year for quite a while

just our opinion
chuck patty and svsoulmates
in trinidad for hurricane season

FranklinGray 04-10-2012 06:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckr (Post 1051129)
... but there is no stream there

Thanks Chuck. Some very good info there. As for the current, I am referring to the Gulf stream that comes from the equator thru the Caribbean sea to the Gulf. I will be crossing that stream but don't know how strong it is in the C. sea. I'm wondering if it will cause me to have to point more east to adjust for the westward current and if so, how much?

Once again, thank you. It's good to hear that the city is a good city. I can't wait to get there.

I'm also wondering if I should go a bit east when the winds are moderate so that when I get farther south where the winds are stronger, I'll be able to take them a little aft. Sound like a good idea?

Jeannius 04-10-2012 06:39

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It can get pretty rough around Cartagena. We went by in January a coupe of years back and had the biggest, steepest waves in our entire circumnavigation when we were about 50nm out from Cartagena. A TV screen that had sat happily, unsecured (we are on a cat) took off and landed on the floor when one wave hit us. Weather wasn't particularly bad at the time... blue skies, 25-30 knots but big waves!

Jane.Joy 04-10-2012 09:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FranklinGray (Post 1051138)
I'm also wondering if I should go a bit east when the winds are moderate so that when I get farther south where the winds are stronger, I'll be able to take them a little aft. Sound like a good idea?

This was our strategy - we had heard the current could be up to 1 knot, closer to Colombia - so we pointed well east of Santa Marta - winds forward of the beam all the way from Haiti until we made our course adjustment as we approached the coast. We went further east than we needed to, in retrospect. If we did it again, I would still point up a bit, but would make more frequent adjustments, as we approached the coast. I doubt the current was even a half a knot.

Average speed, about 7 kn, including the time we spent standing off Santa Marta, waiting for dawn - bad timing.

FranklinGray 04-10-2012 11:08

Re: Passage from Bahamas to Colombia
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jane.Joy (Post 1051280)
This was our strategy - we had heard the current could be up to 1 knot, closer to Colombia - so we pointed well east of Santa Marta - winds forward of the beam all the way from Haiti until we made our course adjustment as we approached the coast. We went further east than we needed to, in retrospect. If we did it again, I would still point up a bit, but would make more frequent adjustments, as we approached the coast. I doubt the current was even a half a knot.

Average speed, about 7 kn, including the time we spent standing off Santa Marta, waiting for dawn - bad timing.


Thanks a million. Drinks on me when I get there :)

Jane.Joy 08-10-2012 14:38

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Originally Posted by FranklinGray

Thanks a million. Drinks on me when I get there :)

Deal. We will be heading for Cartagena in a week or two.


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