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unbusted67 13-12-2011 17:17

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My fiance is a nurse and was just looking at nursing opportunities in the US Virgin Islands. Strictly hypothetically speaking what would it be like if we went and lived down there for a year? Can you live aboard? What is the coast of living like? Are people generally sour about people washing ashore there?

capngeo 13-12-2011 17:21

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I spent some time in Charlotte Amalie (St Thomas)... I will NOT go back. The people were fine, the government was off the charts!

maytrix 13-12-2011 17:22

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Originally Posted by capngeo (Post 837847)
The people were fine, the government was off the charts!

Can you elaborate?

My wife and I have thought the same thing about living aboard. We were thinking more along the lines of St. Croix since its bigger and perhaps more opportunities.

unbusted67 13-12-2011 17:38

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Yes pleas elaborate. I was just doing a little Wikipedia-ing and comparing USVI to Martha's Vineyard where I grew up. The population density of the USVI looks to be through the roof. It has roughly the same square mileage of the Vineyard and the same population as the vineyard on an extremely busy day in July.

capngeo 13-12-2011 17:43

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The best I can sum it up is the government bureaucracy recognizes locals, transient tourists, and rich people... Everyone else they pretty much ignore or hassle

unbusted67 13-12-2011 17:54

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Originally Posted by capngeo (Post 837865)
The best I can sum it up is the government bureaucracy recognizes locals, transient tourists, and rich people... Everyone else they pretty much ignore or hassle

In other words they may not be super accommodating to a seasonal workforce?

justdoit 13-12-2011 18:15

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Please let me know what she finds out about nursing opportunities too. We are cruising and I have considered nursing along the way. What needs to be done for the licensing? Would appreciate any info you have. Thanks much.

bobconnie 13-12-2011 18:25

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The wife is also an RN and we have thought of this also ! theres s few Travel Nursing Companys that avertise jobs there for 13 week contracts with extensions if wanted !! we have found we can stand most anywhere for 13 weeks LOL as long as its on the water we are pretty happy Bob and Connie

TEE 13-12-2011 18:27

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Don't know how you could really live aboard all seasons there. During hurricane season, the only docks I was familiar with was at Sapphire Beach, and they wanted them empty.

capngeo 13-12-2011 18:38

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Perhaps if the nursing agency set up things in advance.. dunno. My S/O is also a nurse and she’s been all over the world on travel assignments.

Slips are in short supply in St Thomas... Many “locals” moor out near RedHook. I have buddy that lives there and owned a marina... his boat is on a mooring! What’s that tell you?

unbusted67 13-12-2011 20:57

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Living on a mooring in the Caribean doesn't sound that bad.

Hud3 14-12-2011 05:41

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My wife did some research on this when we were first thinking about moving to the islands. There are a number of websites and books that have a lot of nitty-gritty info on what to expect and how to plan. Do some Googling and you'll find a lot.

Here are a couple of examples...

VI Moving Center

Settlers' Handbook US Virgin Islands

unbusted67 14-12-2011 10:08

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Wow that is incredible. This will be the bible.

S/V Antares 14-12-2011 10:29

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Spent a few years there in the 70"s & then in the 80's. Difficult then. Less and less cruiser friendly and not enough sheltered anchorages that arn't way oversubscribed. Better off living on land and having a day boat if you need to go to work every day or so IMHO. Better yet... Work stateside and take 3 months off in the VI in the late spring.

bobconnie 14-12-2011 10:47

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I agree, Will & Muffin, there has to be at least a simple mooring availble, and better yet a marina, for us to take the boat there for Travel Nursing jobs. The moneys great but if they can't supply us with moorage in place of there paying for an apartment for us, I think we will pass. ans as said above just vist some time LOL Bob and Connie

Noname1 14-12-2011 10:52

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Originally Posted by unbusted67 (Post 837842)
My fiance is a nurse and was just looking at nursing opportunities in the US Virgin Islands. Strictly hypothetically speaking what would it be like if we went and lived down there for a year? Can you live aboard? What is the coast of living like? Are people generally sour about people washing ashore there?

USVI Relocation Message Board :: General/Relocating

STX is a "working" island with not a lot of tourism compared to STT.
Having lived at STX I can say hurricane holes are essentially non existent and the marina with a travelift is not terribly reliable about getting any given boat on the hard. Cost of living is high. Nursing jobs are generally available because the hospitals are not where anyone wants to work very long. Most locals are good people and if you respect their way of life and customs (just like anywhere else) and stay out of bad neighborhoods you will be OK. That and be back to the boat or the one secure marina by dark. :( Highest murder rate in the US is the USVI! However living on the hook in Christiansted can be absolutely delightful. Beautiful warm water and can follow the anchor chain all the way to the bottom. Above all everything moves much slower and get used to it or leave. Read "Don't Stop the Carnival" and take it to heart. "Life in the Left Lane" is a good read also IMO.

GoToStCroix.com: St. Croix Webcam, Christiansted Live, Virgin Islands Webcam, Caribbean Webcam

PS I would go back in a heartbeat but momma wants to be near her grandkids in frozen heck Ohio GRRRRR

Celestialsailor 14-12-2011 10:54

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Originally Posted by capngeo (Post 837865)
The best I can sum it up is the government bureaucracy recognizes locals, transient tourists, and rich people... Everyone else they pretty much ignore or hassle

Oh...So the bureaucracy of the Hawaiian Islands have moved to USVI!

dtj 14-12-2011 11:00

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We have a boat on St. Croix at Green Cay Marina. One of our boat neighbors is a live aboard RN. She works at the hospital until hurricane season and then goes to the southern islands until then end of hurricane season. They seem quite happy and have a great social life on St. Croix and meet up with other friends when they travel south. Green Cay is an excellent marina. Very friendly and helpful.

Tori 14-12-2011 11:19

I lived on St Thomas for six months and I too will not go back. Between not being a local and the high crime rate I will pick another island.

Rubikoop 14-12-2011 11:49

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Originally Posted by unbusted67 (Post 837842)
My fiance is a nurse and was just looking at nursing opportunities in the US Virgin Islands. Strictly hypothetically speaking what would it be like if we went and lived down there for a year? Can you live aboard? What is the coast of living like? Are people generally sour about people washing ashore there?

Yes you can live aboard. I am looking at dozens and dozens of live aboards right now. Many people live aboard all year. Some leave for hurricane season or move into marinas. Cost of living is very expensive.

It is and can be done.

There are many traveling nurses here.

Tee, there are at least 10 marinas I can think of on St Thomas. That's without trying too hard. Many of them do require the vessels to leave before the arrival of any named storm. A few do not.

If I owned a marina and had a mooring, I'd put my boat on a mooring to make more income too!

Not sure about the population density comments but do know there are large pieces of all three islands that have zero development on them. True the cities are very densly populated but it you are living aboard, so what?

osirissail 17-12-2011 20:03

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Originally Posted by unbusted67 (Post 837876)
In other words they may not be super accommodating to a seasonal workforce?

In St Thomas, the workforce is very "seasonal" and is centered around the cruise ship season from December to May. The rest of the year things are real sparse with most tourist/cruise ship stores/shops shut down or on minimal staffing.

I was there from Jan to May of this year and the marinas all had a lot of space available as the world financial crunch has hit there also. But prices are still up. As live-aboard, but active cruiser, I have always liked St Thomas and the other US Virgins, but then again I am not living on land there. - And I leave in a couple of months or so.

I have lived there on my boat for several months a year every year or two over the last decade. Most of my time was "down island" with trips back to USVI mail, and the ability to purchase supplies from the mainland USA without having to deal with foreign customs b.s.

Medical services leave a lot to be desired down there and funny enough when I was hospitalized here in Orlando quite a few of the nurses were from the USVI. They said working conditions and pay down there was not good and they could do much better back on the mainland USA.

Caribsailors 17-12-2011 20:51

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Originally Posted by michaeldsusa (Post 838284)
USVI Relocation Message Board :: General/Relocating

STX is a "working" island with not a lot of tourism compared to STT.
Having lived at STX I can say hurricane holes are essentially non existent and the marina with a travelift is not terribly reliable about getting any given boat on the hard. Cost of living is high. Nursing jobs are generally available because the hospitals are not where anyone wants to work very long. Most locals are good people and if you respect their way of life and customs (just like anywhere else) and stay out of bad neighborhoods you will be OK. That and be back to the boat or the one secure marina by dark. :( Highest murder rate in the US is the USVI! However living on the hook in Christiansted can be absolutely delightful. Beautiful warm water and can follow the anchor chain all the way to the bottom. Above all everything moves much slower and get used to it or leave. Read "Don't Stop the Carnival" and take it to heart. "Life in the Left Lane" is a good read also IMO.

GoToStCroix.com: St. Croix Webcam, Christiansted Live, Virgin Islands Webcam, Caribbean Webcam

PS I would go back in a heartbeat but momma wants to be near her grandkids in frozen heck Ohio GRRRRR

I Second READ!! "Don't Stop the Carnival" but if you haven't lived here you will just think it's a story.

Cheers

unbusted67 17-12-2011 21:18

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Originally Posted by Caribsailors (Post 840372)
I Second READ!! "Don't Stop the Carnival" but if you haven't lived here you will just think it's a story.

Cheers

Who wrote that? That's not the Jimmy Buffet one is it?

Hud3 18-12-2011 04:56

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Herman Wouk is the author. He and Jimmy Buffet dreamed up a musical based on the book, which I'm not sure gained any traction.

And, yes, it's "true" fiction. Anyone thinking of moving to the islands should read it, just to be prepared for reality when they get here.

unbusted67 18-12-2011 07:46

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Ha ha that's okay I don't plan on buying a hotel. In fact I don't plan on doing much of anything.

osirissail 18-12-2011 14:35

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Originally Posted by unbusted67 (Post 837842)
. . . What is the coast of living like? . . .

Don't anybody has addressed that - but in most of the islands there is a clearly 2-sided economy. First is the tourist side with hotels, stores, shops and restaurants with high prices and all the nice stuff money can buy.

- - But the workers there are not paid that well and cannot live with that level of costs. So there is the "other side" of the economy with stores, shops and food places with low prices. It takes awhile to ferret out where these places are located, but once you do, the living costs are much lower or at least significantly below "tourist" levels. St Thomas has many "local's" places to shop and eat with very reasonable prices and some are even located buried back in the corners of the "tourist" areas. After all, the "help" have to eat.
- - So depending upon your own personal "standard of living" you can live there as economically as in the mainland USA.

droquette 21-12-2011 11:33

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Sorry Osirissail But I have to respectfully disagree with you on the most part regarding cheap stuff for locals. One of my best friends has lived on the island for 5 years and I have visited him a few times a year since then. NOTHING is cheap on the island simply due to the freight situation first and second the tourists. You can definitely find stuff cheaper than what is offered at the tourist shops but you could never compare it to what it would cost you at a Walmart in USA or Puerto Rico for that fact. Do not mislead people into believing their is some secret cheap places in St Thomas or all the USVI to buy supplies etc.

The only good deals are probably the happy hours and the duty free rum/alcohol/tobacco. this is cheap.. so if you can live off cigs and rum the USVI is a sweet deal.otherwise it is much more expensive than USA or PR.. Even the food sold at the street trucks for lunch/dinner/late night is more expensive than usual US prices.

The Kmart on the island charges way higher prices for everything. so much so that my friend buys everything including his laundry detergent from PR and takes it on the plane with him.

I also wanted to add that St. Thomas has the highest per capita murder rate in all of the US. It is getting more and more dangerous so be cautious.


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Originally Posted by osirissail (Post 840907)
Don't anybody has addressed that - but in most of the islands there is a clearly 2-sided economy. First is the tourist side with hotels, stores, shops and restaurants with high prices and all the nice stuff money can buy.

- - But the workers there are not paid that well and cannot live with that level of costs. So there is the "other side" of the economy with stores, shops and food places with low prices. It takes awhile to ferret out where these places are located, but once you do, the living costs are much lower or at least significantly below "tourist" levels. St Thomas has many "local's" places to shop and eat with very reasonable prices and some are even located buried back in the corners of the "tourist" areas. After all, the "help" have to eat.
- - So depending upon your own personal "standard of living" you can live there as economically as in the mainland USA.


osirissail 22-12-2011 06:28

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And I would also respectfully disagree that your "second hand" information from someone living on land or visiting a land based person is biased whereas my personally living there on a cruising boat is quite different. Nothing wrong with that "bias" it just means that other people, especially long term cruisers have a different experience,
- - I don't have to pay "rent" or "car expenses" which is more relevant to cruisers. Personal tastes and habits make an enormous difference in what you will perceive as the "costs" in a particular place. We don't really "eat out" (drinking out is a different matter) and normally buy "basic foods" rather than manufactured foods and junk food. So the bias comes in comparing apples to pomegranates rather than the costs a cruiser would encounter of food shopping and getting around.
- - There are a significant amount of cruisers both single-handers and couples who arrive each year to work the cruise ship shops and services from "down island." Their wages are low and they need to save money which is how they replenish their "cruising kitty" before heading back south again for the hurricane season. Since our way of living is significantly different from land-living folk, our purchases and shopping habits are also quite different.
- - We don't shop at Walmarts as there is nothing there a cruiser needs. We may pop into the KMarts in Long Bay but not for much. There is even a "Cost-U-Less" just up the road on the way to Red Hook for those who want a bulk purchasing experience. And a Home Depot near it.
- - Again, for most of long term cruisers, we are not "tourists" and our budgets are very limited what with the extra costs of repair parts for the boat, etc. So we pass on to each other where we can get stuff at reasonable prices, sort of like a network. The long term cruising life is significantly different from land-living folk and our buying habits are also quite different.

droquette 22-12-2011 09:21

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You are right, I am comparing land lovers vs. sailors expenses.

But not from a tourist point of view. A person living on an island 320 days out of 365 for 5 years is someone I would consider a "local". I would consider that more "local" than sailors who are seasonal and not there all year...
I applaud you and the other sailors for finding stuff "cheap" on an island where everyone else finds it expensive, so much so that the minimum wage is $10.00 because life is so expensive their.. The Federal minimum wage applies but the vast majority of people working normal jobs start at $10.00 or more due to higher living costs.

All of this though is irrelevant as you are 100% right that I am comparing "apples to pomegranates". So blue skies and happy sailing to one and all...

unbusted67 22-12-2011 10:05

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Either way I am sure that people living there DO find things inflated. You can go to the market and \get your groceries cheap but what happens when you need to buy clothing, supplies, boat parts? There are hidden expenses in "simple" living.

I grew up on Martha's Vineyard where a bag of groceries starts at about $45 and fuel is consistently 50% more than on the mainland. The real expense of living on an Island comes from being in a rural place and having to drive everywhere, that and getting on and off of the Island. I won't know until I get there will I?

BCS 22-12-2011 10:27

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Originally Posted by Tori (Post 838299)
I lived on St Thomas for six months and I too will not go back. Between not being a local and the high crime rate I will pick another island.

I took a research position at the College of USVI in the mid 1980s....lasted a month, what a pit....my next gig was in Trenton, NJ and amazing as it sounds, a much better situation (for a while anyways).

osirissail 22-12-2011 12:44

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If nothing else, the point of my discussion is that the cost of living for long term cruisers is significantly different from those living on land. Which in a lot of cases is why some folks take to "living aboard" and cruising.
- - For instance, we don't have cars - they don't float too well. However, we do have dinghys which can be expensive to purchase and we need gasoline to run the outboard motors. But more than a few long term cruisers are now getting the hard row-able dinghys instead of the RIB/Inflatables that need outboard engines what with today's gasoline prices.
- - One of the big advantages of cruising in your own boat is the ability to visit what would be considered an "expensive" island and not have to "pay" as others do. It is definitely something to look forward to for those dreaming/hoping/planning on taking up long term cruising and seeing more of the world.

Rubikoop 22-12-2011 13:07

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Originally Posted by osirissail (Post 843609)
And I would also respectfully disagree that your "second hand" information from someone living on land or visiting a land based person is biased whereas my personally living there on a cruising boat is quite different. Nothing wrong with that "bias" it just means that other people, especially long term cruisers have a different experience,
- - I don't have to pay "rent" or "car expenses" which is more relevant to cruisers. Personal tastes and habits make an enormous difference in what you will perceive as the "costs" in a particular place. We don't really "eat out" (drinking out is a different matter) and normally buy "basic foods" rather than manufactured foods and junk food. So the bias comes in comparing apples to pomegranates rather than the costs a cruiser would encounter of food shopping and getting around.
- - There are a significant amount of cruisers both single-handers and couples who arrive each year to work the cruise ship shops and services from "down island." Their wages are low and they need to save money which is how they replenish their "cruising kitty" before heading back south again for the hurricane season. Since our way of living is significantly different from land-living folk, our purchases and shopping habits are also quite different.
- - We don't shop at Walmarts as there is nothing there a cruiser needs. We may pop into the KMarts in Long Bay but not for much. There is even a "Cost-U-Less" just up the road on the way to Red Hook for those who want a bulk purchasing experience. And a Home Depot near it.
- - Again, for most of long term cruisers, we are not "tourists" and our budgets are very limited what with the extra costs of repair parts for the boat, etc. So we pass on to each other where we can get stuff at reasonable prices, sort of like a network. The long term cruising life is significantly different from land-living folk and our buying habits are also quite different.

Hopefully after living here for about 7 years my information won't be "second hand". I do live on land which apparently makes me ignorant of where to buy things at reasonable prices.:) With those pertinent facts clear, I and dozens of my friends that do live aboard fulltime here, would love to know how to get into the "network" so we can also reap the benefits of stateside priced goods. Is there a secret handshake? A gang sign? Lengthy initiation process? Entry fee? Whatever it takes to enter into the secret society would apparently pay for itself in a matter of weeks. :D

In your second paragraph your point appears to be that you buy differently than others. OK, I can certainly appreciate that. What doesn't make sense is that makes it very difficult to compare costs geographically to determine what is and isn't expensive. Can I assume that no matter where you find yourself there are certain things you will buy like propane (or whatever fuel you cook with), diesel, gas (dinghy motor if you do not row), water (if you do not have a water maker), etc. So are you saying those things are the same cost here as in the states? If you are, please do tell where you shop! PM me if it is a secret.:thumb:

I do agree with your next comments, many people do come here to work and fatten the kitty. There is opportunity to make more money here than there is down island or so many people would not risk so much to get here illegally.

There is not a Walmart in the British, Spanish or US Virgin Islands so not sure what that is about. Last time I was in the states the Super Walmarts had very competetive food prices. I would assume that has not changed. I would think cheap but good food would be something everybody would want.

I do hope you see that I am partially teasing you but really just asking you to back up your claims with the mystery vendor names that so many of us are ignorant of.

unbusted67 22-12-2011 13:54

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Originally Posted by Rubikoop (Post 843828)
Hopefully after living here for about 7 years my information won't be "second hand". I do live on land which apparently makes me ignorant of where to buy things at reasonable prices.:) With those pertinent facts clear, I and dozens of my friends that do live aboard fulltime here, would love to know how to get into the "network" so we can also reap the benefits of stateside priced goods. Is there a secret handshake? A gang sign? Lengthy initiation process? Entry fee? Whatever it takes to enter into the secret society would apparently pay for itself in a matter of weeks. :D

In your second paragraph your point appears to be that you buy differently than others. OK, I can certainly appreciate that. What doesn't make sense is that makes it very difficult to compare costs geographically to determine what is and isn't expensive. Can I assume that no matter where you find yourself there are certain things you will buy like propane (or whatever fuel you cook with), diesel, gas (dinghy motor if you do not row), water (if you do not have a water maker), etc. So are you saying those things are the same cost here as in the states? If you are, please do tell where you shop! PM me if it is a secret.:thumb:

I do agree with your next comments, many people do come here to work and fatten the kitty. There is opportunity to make more money here than there is down island or so many people would not risk so much to get here illegally.

There is not a Walmart in the British, Spanish or US Virgin Islands so not sure what that is about. Last time I was in the states the Super Walmarts had very competetive food prices. I would assume that has not changed. I would think cheap but good food would be something everybody would want.

I do hope you see that I am partially teasing you but really just asking you to back up your claims with the mystery vendor names that so many of us are ignorant of.

All ribbing aside can you give us a snapshot of what your life is like down there and maybe some of the pros and cons of living aboard down there? Do you live aboard or are you on land?

Rubikoop 22-12-2011 14:24

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Originally Posted by unbusted67 (Post 843851)
All ribbing aside can you give us a snapshot of what your life is like down there and maybe some of the pros and cons of living aboard down there? Do you live aboard or are you on land?


Trying not to rib you but my second sentence does say "I live on land".:confused:

Since I do live on land, I can't directly answer your question. I can make some fairly safe assumptions and you can decide the validity of each.

There must be more pros than cons or the dozens and dozens of live aboards that run south for hurricane season probably wouldn't bother to come right back to spend the majority of their time here. Clearly Osiris and I agree, there are ample opportunities to earn money here. I think the facts are clear that the murder rate is extremely high which is very sad. My wife and I can, and would, leave here at the drop of a hat if we truly felt that it was unsafe for us to stay. Rarely do I hear of much in the way of crimes on the water other than the random dinghy theft etc. Lock it or lose it! My opionion is that the cost of living here is very high whether one sleeps on land or in the water. Everyone eats and one example I like to use is the cost of a gallon of milk. Typically it is right around $8/gallon. Rum is cheap and can be found for under $5/liter. Transportation is cheap. For $1-$2 dollars there are safaris (open taxis) that circle the island on major routes. With little effort one can find happy hours with cheap appetizers that can make for a "meal" out inexpensively.

Like anyplace else, there are good and bad things here, too many to cover. Each person has a different perspective as to degrees of each and comfort levels for each. If there are specific questions you'd like to ask I would be glad to do my best to respond.

osirissail 22-12-2011 14:27

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Originally Posted by unbusted67 (Post 843851)
All ribbing aside can you give us a snapshot of what your life is like down there and maybe some of the pros and cons of living aboard down there? Do you live aboard or are you on land?

We are getting into that common paradox of "Live aboard" versus "Cruising people, Cruising boats, etc." They are two very different things. That's the "apples and pomegranates."

Are going to be a "static live-aboard" or a cruiser? "Static live-aboard" are, IMHO, land dwellers who sometimes pay less rent than land dwellers - most everything else costs as much as any other land dweller would pay. Your land living habits will carry over and you will continue to live that lifestyle you already know. For living ashore or static live aboard I would suggest an "ex-pat" forum. So if you are planning to be a static live-aboard in St Thomas or any of the Virgin Islands, I would suggest that you listen more to Rubikoop and others who dwell on land for the most accurate assessment.

It is the cruising life-style that makes the difference. When you have been living in a variety of countries with anything from a total tourist economy to non-tourist agricultural economy things are quite different. Your way of living tends toward more earth cooperative living versus mass consumption of mass manufactured foods and stuff. Frankly there just isn't much room on a cruising boat for junk/fast food and such stuff. And it doesn't keep/store very long.

If you are planning to be an active cruiser which is sort of what this Forum is generally supposed to be about, then a different answer - like mine and other active cruisers, is more appropriate.

Rubikoop 22-12-2011 14:58

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Originally Posted by osirissail (Post 843870)
We are getting into that common paradox of "Live aboard" versus "Cruising people, Cruising boats, etc." They are two very different things. That's the "apples and pomegranates."

Are going to be a "static live-aboard" or a cruiser? "Static live-aboard" are, IMHO, land dwellers who sometimes pay less rent than land dwellers - most everything else costs as much as any other land dweller would pay. Your land living habits will carry over and you will continue to live that lifestyle you already know. For living ashore or static live aboard I would suggest an "ex-pat" forum. So if you are planning to be a static live-aboard in St Thomas or any of the Virgin Islands, I would suggest that you listen more to Rubikoop and others who dwell on land for the most accurate assessment.

It is the cruising life-style that makes the difference. When you have been living in a variety of countries with anything from a total tourist economy to non-tourist agricultural economy things are quite different. Your way of living tends toward more earth cooperative living versus mass consumption of mass manufactured foods and stuff. Frankly there just isn't much room on a cruising boat for junk/fast food and such stuff. And it doesn't keep/store very long.

If you are planning to be an active cruiser which is sort of what this Forum is generally supposed to be about, then a different answer - like mine and other active cruisers, is more appropriate.

I apparently made an error in describing good friends as live aboards when I should have referred to them as "cruisers" since they sail away for hurricane season. I hope I didn't offend them or anyone else.:)

Osiris, your clarification is a very good one. There is a vast difference between people that live on "floating condos" year round that never move as opposed to the transient population of cruisers.

unbusted67 23-12-2011 01:06

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Originally Posted by osirissail (Post 843870)
It is the cruising life-style that makes the difference. When you have been living in a variety of countries with anything from a total tourist economy to non-tourist agricultural economy things are quite different. Your way of living tends toward more earth cooperative living versus mass consumption of mass manufactured foods and stuff. Frankly there just isn't much room on a cruising boat for junk/fast food and such stuff. And it doesn't keep/store very long.

If you are planning to be an active cruiser which is sort of what this Forum is generally supposed to be about, then a different answer - like mine and other active cruisers, is more appropriate.

I think this is a very broad generalization and not very accurate. Fast food keeps much better on a boat than organic fruits and vegetables ie boxed mac and cheese or canned goods.. And there are plenty of cruisers who do not adhere to the cooperative living lifestyle you outline in your post. I happen to be someone who does adhere to that lifestyle but all one has to do is take a look at the bumfuzzle's provisioning list to see that plenty of cruisers bring suburbia with them. I would also like to point out that this forum, although occasionally about active cruising, more often falls under the All Things Cruising category,

Nirvava 23-12-2011 02:40

Re: USVI Live Aboard Situation
 
Did St Croix, living aboard off and on while nursing (travel assignments) for about 4 or 5 years....do you want the truth or post card version?

Patient 23-12-2011 04:02

Re: USVI Live Aboard Situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by capngeo (Post 837865)
The best I can sum it up is the government bureaucracy recognizes locals, transient tourists, and rich people... Everyone else they pretty much ignore or hassle

I just wanted to chime in to Geo's post.

My family spent a lot of time down there in the 80s and I have been back and forth recently, not much has changed. My Signifgant other just finished a 6 month research project there looking at how much of the island's history has carried into the current socio-economic landscape, which is mainly dependent on tourism. If you do a bit of research past what you think would be relevant, you are left with a clear understanding of why "expats" needs are not exactly on the top of the list of priorities.

The entire area was run like a well oiled machine under a commonwealth for over 200 years and then they abruptly abandoned the inhabitants, leaving them to fend for themselves for decades without any direct aid or means of commerce. It was only until the mid 50s when the promising venture of tourism sparked that the former "commonwealth"'s return with well-to-do developers, capital in hand to build, build and build some more.

I know that may be a stretch in terms of how to answer the OP's liveaboard and work question, however I have been recited that entire summarized history by locals over a cold Carib many times after describing my desire to open a small retail business close by. The answer was basically, "Good luck even getting in line". Not all is forgotten I guess.

I would stretch your area of possibility all the way to the Grenadines. There are some medical institutions there as well as a well known medical college. Such as:

Kingstown General Hospital, Kingstown, St Vincent
Bequia District Hospital, Port Elizabeth, Bequia
Union Island District Hospital, Clifton, Union Island
Mesopotamia District Hospital, Mesopotamia
Kingstown Medical College, Ratho Mill, Saint Vincent


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