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foggysail 27-09-2011 18:38

A Second Wind for Rocna
 
From another sailing site---

CANADA METAL PACIFIC ACQUIRES ROCNA ANCHORS

Just maybe, this means a "second wind" or should that be "second sale" for Rocna or at least another chance. Time will tell.

Foggy

CAELESTIS 27-09-2011 19:19

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
Yes.

Canada Metal Pacific Acquires Rocna Anchors Rocna Anchors

Khagan1227 27-09-2011 20:21

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
I certainly hope so, with all the bad press the Chinese Roncas have received, I wonder if they will be reviewing their business plan.

It will be interesting to see if they move their operations to the Great White North, Kiwiland, or keep them in China.

Bash 27-09-2011 20:37

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
Second sale = third wind. And from the Rocna press release cited above, Peter Smith appears once again to be involved.

Don't wiff a third time, Peter. Three strikes and you're out.

sailorboy1 28-09-2011 04:02

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
I would bet that all the Rocna trashing on forums has hardly made any difference in sales. Probably just has made a good marketing opportunity for the new owner to "turn it around"!

tartansail 28-09-2011 04:34

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Lucas (Post 785012)
I would bet that all the Rocna trashing on forums has hardly made any difference in sales. Probably just has made a good marketing opportunity for the new owner to "turn it around"!

Perhaps. But I suspect that the West Marine return offer was noticed by other vendors, the owners and the purchasing company. I wouldn't be surprised if the company's valuation took a hit from that. Given the acknowledged quality of the design, the new owners may have gotten a bargain.

Does anyone know anything about the acquiring company? A perusal of their web site suggests that, at least, they own their own manufacturing facilities in Canada and China and have been in the manufacturing business for a while. Their footprint seems to be comparable in both countries, but, since the Canada office has corporate and engineering functions, the bulk of manufacturing is probably at the China plant.

Dockhead 28-09-2011 04:52

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
Very interesting news. It means that the current regime is basically out of business. I am not surprised -- if most of the company's whole production of the last couple of years was intentionally manufactured out of spec, it spells doom, basically. It doesn't take much of a percentage of your sales to come back to bankrupt you. Those guys basically committed suicide.

So, it's good news for us. The new company looks serious. I bet they will be publishing very detailed -- an accurate -- information about metallurgy of their production, in order to make a clean break with the past. Great news, really!

Nevertheless, I am planning to hand in my own Rocna this fall. I have decided to buy a Spade like I had on my old boat. The latest and, to date, most sophisticated anchor test I have seen (Practical Boat Owner, August) confirms my subjective impression -- the Spade is considerably better than the Rocna. Surprisingly, the tests showed the Rocna performing much better than the Manson Supreme.

Maine Sail 28-09-2011 04:59

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Lucas (Post 785012)
I would bet that all the Rocna trashing on forums has hardly made any difference in sales.

I doubt it. I have had no less than about 20 customers who initially wanted a Rocna but bought a Manson Supreme instead. And these are just people I know. This does not include forum folks. Not a single person I know has bought a Rocna since this debacle began..

People shop with "internet pricing" these days. All one has to do is type in Rocna and you'll get the good with the bad. Also if you get Practical Sailor or Yachting Monthly, and were considering a Rocna, you probably are not anymore..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Lucas (Post 785012)
Probably just has made a good marketing opportunity for the new owner to "turn it around"!

Yes they are prime for a good HONEST turn around..

swisscraft 28-09-2011 05:24

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maine Sail (Post 785034)
I doubt it. I have had no less than about 20 customers who initially wanted a Rocna but bought a Manson Supreme instead. And these are just people I know. This does not include forum folks. Not a single person I know has bought a Rocna since this debacle began..

People shop with "internet pricing" these days. All one has to do is type in Rocna and you'll get the good with the bad. Also if you get Practical Sailor or Yachting Monthly, and were considering a Rocna, you probably are not anymore..



Yes they are prime for a good HONEST turn around..

Maine Sail - you know now 21 :-)

cheers Marco

virginia boy 28-09-2011 05:45

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
I own a Rocna and am considering trading it for a Manson. The only way my faith in Rocna could be restored is if the new owners manufactured them in a country other than China. I'm sure that China is perfectly capable of fabricating a world class anchor but emotionally, I can't bring myself to trust them.

cat man do 28-09-2011 05:54

Re: A second wind for Rocna
 
CMP supply anchor chain, anchor chain made by CHINA RUDONG CHAIN WORKS INC
China Rudong Chain Works Inc - Supplier Profile / Detailed Company Information, Imports & Exports

CMP and CMP GLOBAL are the same company
https://www.cmpglobal.com/content/

CMP GLOBAL have a subsidiary called https://www.ningbojiada.com/content/en/about.html



I would imagine the anchors will still be made there as well
What does it matter as long as they are done to spec.

avb3 28-09-2011 20:00

Re: A Second Wind for Rocna
 
Well, it looks like there is a real company behind the acquisition.

They are going to have to perform at 110%, immediately and with out any more obfuscations.

If they don't show a change in a hurry, how would any trust be build back up?

Seeing Peter Smith involved is a positive, but he has to keep Craig quiet :whistling:

nwdiver 28-09-2011 20:36

Re: A Second Wind for Rocna
 
I'm happy with their chain, they have been in the marine chain business for a long time.

Shoalcove 29-09-2011 04:02

Re: A Second Wind for Rocna
 
That outfit has been building topnotch hydraulic drives under their own name and for a lot of other name brands for a while. I'm sure that they'll do a good job of it. I've wanted a Rocna too but held off once I heard the fuss about quality. I'll wait a bit longer and see what happens. The Manson line isn't in Canada and the thick shank in the size I want doesn't fit my roller anyway so patience is the name of the game...

David_Old_Jersey 29-09-2011 05:11

Re: A Second Wind for Rocna
 
Sounds like the new owners could make a top notch Rocna, but whether they will is another thing...............might decide to stick with the lunch hook approach with an anchor made of cheese, but with a bit more PR added.

Time will tell.


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