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yeloya 04-10-2011 01:16

Re: Tips for Greece
 
First of all talking about Greece, we should distinguish the difference between the islands and the mainland..The people on the islands have got always some privilege, even reduced tax levels officially, government subsidized fuel, transport, etc. Therefore, at the beginning of the crisis, they were barely impacted. But now the things are changing rapidly..
As far as crusing is concern, my expectations are:

-even less control and hassle when check in /out,(they are running out of people)
-more chaos in the ports and generally in public transports (same reason + ever increasing strikes)
-overall prices to go down (less puchasing power of locals)
-(unfortunately) less tourists and cruisers to avoid the mess..

It's pitty but it seems like there is no way out for Greece; for so many years they've spent the money they didn't earn. EU is equally responsable for all what happened and Merkel/Sarkozy will pay the bill in the first elections to come for pouring in the money of their tax payers into Greece.

Cheers

Yeloya

Palarran 04-10-2011 13:48

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Thank you for your thoughts.

I'm meeting with some friends this week to discuss their family joining us next year. What I'm going to suggest is that they purchase tickets to London for the time frame we are looking at. Then they can use EasyJet to get wherever we actually are.

For my family, all we need is diesel and food. It's my friends and their travel plans that worry me. I would think the islands will be somewhat sheltered from strikes and any potential violence that may erupt.

One option I have is to reverse my trip. We had planned to cruise Croatia, Italy, and France in our second year (2013). Maybe I should do those areas first, see what develops, then head to Greece in 2013. It's hard to visualize this change after spending two years planning on Greece first, then the others.

Any opinions?

careka 04-10-2011 13:57

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Well, Greece will have problems, but that will also make prices going down,
They have to keep this Turist machine going, they cant afford not to.
and there will be food and fuel. Planes, out and in, and ferrys, can and will be delayed due to strikes.
beside from that, Greece is nice. Go for it.
And if it turns out to be bad, its only a few days of sailing to get over to Italy, Croatia.

Capitain Mike 04-10-2011 16:05

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by careka (Post 789919)
Well, Greece will have problems, but that will also make prices going down,
They have to keep this Turist machine going, they cant afford not to.
and there will be food and fuel. Planes, out and in, and ferrys, can and will be delayed due to strikes.
beside from that, Greece is nice. Go for it.
And if it turns out to be bad, its only a few days of sailing to get over to Italy, Croatia.

Go for It Greece is Great!!!
I know I live here :)

Palarran 04-10-2011 17:02

Re: Tips for Greece
 
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If you have Google Earth installed on your computer and are interested in seeing what I have come up with for a route, here it is. You can click on the expanding arrows to see more information and places. I'd appreciate any feedback you all may have. This file will store in your temporary places so it is easy to delete and won't conflict with any of your existing routes.

My plan is to leave St. Martin on the 3rd week of April, be at the Azores 21 days later, spend a week there, then 1 week to Gibraltar. That should put me at the Rock around June 1st.

goboatingnow 05-10-2011 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palarran
Thank you for your thoughts.

I'm meeting with some friends this week to discuss their family joining us next year. What I'm going to suggest is that they purchase tickets to London for the time frame we are looking at. Then they can use EasyJet to get wherever we actually are.

For my family, all we need is diesel and food. It's my friends and their travel plans that worry me. I would think the islands will be somewhat sheltered from strikes and any potential violence that may erupt.

One option I have is to reverse my trip. We had planned to cruise Croatia, Italy, and France in our second year (2013). Maybe I should do those areas first, see what develops, then head to Greece in 2013. It's hard to visualize this change after spending two years planning on Greece first, then the others.

Any opinions?

To make or change plans on account of half assed rumours or even the potential of the odd strike is ridiculous. Greece is a orderly stable society. Minor industrial action occurs all over Europe all the time. ( see France and UK). Ignore it

As to ways of getting there. Also checks routes through Germany and France. Both have excellent connections to Greece.

Go an enjoy it , it's a great place to visit.
Dave

goboatingnow 05-10-2011 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by yeloya
First of all talking about Greece, we should distinguish the difference between the islands and the mainland..The people on the islands have got always some privilege, even reduced tax levels officially, government subsidized fuel, transport, etc. Therefore, at the beginning of the crisis, they were barely impacted. But now the things are changing rapidly..
As far as crusing is concern, my expectations are:

-even less control and hassle when check in /out,(they are running out of people)
-more chaos in the ports and generally in public transports (same reason + ever increasing strikes)
-overall prices to go down (less puchasing power of locals)
-(unfortunately) less tourists and cruisers to avoid the mess..

It's pitty but it seems like there is no way out for Greece; for so many years they've spent the money they didn't earn. EU is equally responsable for all what happened and Merkel/Sarkozy will pay the bill in the first elections to come for pouring in the money of their tax payers into Greece.

Cheers

Yeloya

I beleive your reading of the situation is incorrect. Greece will remain a basically stable country where the rule of law applies

Secondly. All western countries have spent more then they earned. The US being up there with the rest of them. Greece is just the first correction.

I also do not think that the voters of Germany or France will react in the way you think. Firstly both France and Germany have their own problems and will be pouring money into their own banks soon enough. Secondly it's the taxpayers of Greece that will pay the most. Thirdly the citizens of France and Germany will regard themselves as lucky if all that is required is a few couple of 100 billion euros to solve this mess.

Dave

Frederik V 05-10-2011 02:44

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Palarran (Post 790036)
If you have Google Earth installed on your computer and are interested in seeing what I have come up with for a route, here it is. You can click on the expanding arrows to see more information and places. I'd appreciate any feedback you all may have. This file will store in your temporary places so it is easy to delete and won't conflict with any of your existing routes.

My plan is to leave St. Martin on the 3rd week of April, be at the Azores 21 days later, spend a week there, then 1 week to Gibraltar. That should put me at the Rock around June 1st.


I was in a number of places in the Mediterranean. To some of the places I have been often. So, these are my "musts" :

Mallorca : Isle of Cabrera (natural reserve : but you have to ask a permission to anchor a few weeks in advance)
Palma is worth a visit.

Marseille : Avoid this place ! A big dirty (and dangerous) city. Impossible to find a place in the harbour anyway and they will send you far outside to Le Frioul.

Cassis : a nice very small place but you might have difficulties to find a place. Try to be there before noon. Pay yourself a visit to the "Calanque d'en Vau et port Miou". You can anchor in front of the rock at the end, but it is very deep anchoring. (I anchored several times behind the rock, where it is forbidden, a very good place to spend the night. You can stay there untill someone sends you away in the early morning ... When the last boat with tourists has gone, you'll be the only ones there)

Between Cassis and the "iles de lérin", there is nothing interesting.

Isle of Porquerolles : in the harbour. Have dinner in Le Mas du Langoustier on top of the island (they will get and bring you back to the harbour). You can also anchor in the well sheltered Bay du Langoustier (north side), close to the restaurant. Also secure with the Mistral blowing.

For boat repair Port Hyères is a good place. Visit also the village of Hyères.

Port Cros : Nice Idyllic harbour. Make a walk to the bay of Port Man (where you can also anchor, sheltered of the Mistral)

(Other nice place = Le Lavandou)

St Tropez : a must. Try to find a place next to the Capitainerie (=harbour master) and spend a day or 2 there. If no place, anchor in the Bay des Cannebiers (well sheltered) and don't leave the bay of St Tropez without visiting Port-Grimaud. You will find a place there at the capiatinerie at the entrance, but ask if they can give you a place next to the church (if not, you can go to Port de Cogolin, it is just next to Pt Grimaud, it is pretty to see, plenty of space, but there is nothing to see or to do in that harbour.
The visit of Pt Grimaud is also a must (it's a little bit like Venice).

In july and august it is interesting to make a walk in the evening from Port Fréjus to St Raphael along the coast. It is 3 km with plenty of restaurants and things you can buy.

Cannes : Try to find a place in the harbour. Not easy ! You will find a place in La Napoule and go with the taxi to Cannes. During the day, stay between the well sheltered Islands of st marguerite and st honorat just in front of Cannes, and make a walk around both islands.

Golf Juan : not interesting

Antibes : only if you have time.

Nice : There are better places to visit (the visit of the "old town" takes only 5 minutes, for the rest it is a big dirty city)

Monaco : Try every harbour. Starting with cap d'ail, then Fontvieille (the best : very nice under the Monaco Rock), then port Hercule. Hopefully you will find a place.
in general, finding a place in the harbour is difficult in the south of france, espiecially for the size of your boat. The places are also very expensive, but it is often worth.
Especially from 15th June try to be at the harbour not later then 1 pm. You can not make a reservation.
If you want to go for dinner in a top restaurant in a very pleasant surrounding, go to the Chèvre d'Or in Eze ... Check the prices first ...

Noth of Italy, I don't know, but Portofino and Rapallo are well known places.

Corsica :
St Florent : peacefull place
Calvi : not very interesting to my opinion
Sail very close along the coast of Scandola (natural reserve)
You can anchor further in Girolata. A nice peacefull spot (do not do that with a Mistral warning)

Ajaccio : worth a visit - Provisions to buy here.

Propriano : a waste of time

Bonifacio : a must, spectacular entrance. Not easy to find a place. Do not go to the inviting right where you find an easy place (just before the shelterd places start). Your ruther will touch and you might be smached against the wall ... At the left side of the entrance they put sometimes a temporary floating harbour, this is OK.

Lavezzi Islands : anchor in the first island south of Bonifacio. Very special and peaceful place with strange rocks. Silence guaranteed and well sheltered.
If you don't stay there for the night than at least make a stop there and have a look.

La Maddalena is not very interesting, no much chance to find a place in the small harbour.
Porto Cervo : the harbour of the jet set - a big name, but that' all, really nothing to see except mega yachts.

Well that's all, I 've sent earlier my opinion about sailing in Croatia.

I hope this was helpful, and hope my english was not too bad ...

Frederik

Capitain Mike 05-10-2011 03:12

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 790243)
I beleive your reading of the situation is incorrect. Greece will remain a basically stable country where the rule of law applies

Secondly. All western countries have spent more then they earned. The US being up there with the rest of them. Greece is just the first correction.

I also do not think that the voters of Germany or France will react in the way you think. Firstly both France and Germany have their own problems and will be pouring money into their own banks soon enough. Secondly it's the taxpayers of Greece that will pay the most. Thirdly the citizens of France and Germany will regard themselves as lucky if all that is required is a few couple of 100 billion euros to solve this mess.

Dave

You are absolutely correct unless you live here as I do, you don't really understand what is happening with the people etc

Capitain Mike 05-10-2011 03:14

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederik V (Post 790251)
I was in a number of places in the Mediterranean. To some of the places I have been often. So, these are my "musts" :

Mallorca : Isle of Cabrera (natural reserve : but you have to ask a permission to anchor a few weeks in advance)
Palma is worth a visit.

Marseille : Avoid this place ! A big dirty (and dangerous) city. Impossible to find a place in the harbour anyway and they will send you far outside to Le Frioul.

Cassis : a nice very small place but you might have difficulties to find a place. Try to be there before noon. Pay yourself a visit to the "Calanque d'en Vau et port Miou". You can anchor in front of the rock at the end, but it is very deep anchoring. (I anchored several times behind the rock, where it is forbidden, a very good place to spend the night. You can stay there untill someone sends you away in the early morning ... When the last boat with tourists has gone, you'll be the only ones there)

Between Cassis and the "iles de lérin", there is nothing interesting.

Isle of Porquerolles : in the harbour. Have dinner in Le Mas du Langoustier on top of the island (they will get and bring you back to the harbour). You can also anchor in the well sheltered Bay du Langoustier (north side), close to the restaurant. Also secure with the Mistral blowing.

For boat repair Port Hyères is a good place. Visit also the village of Hyères.

Port Cros : Nice Idyllic harbour. Make a walk to the bay of Port Man (where you can also anchor, sheltered of the Mistral)

(Other nice place = Le Lavandou)

St Tropez : a must. Try to find a place next to the Capitainerie (=harbour master) and spend a day or 2 there. If no place, anchor in the Bay des Cannebiers (well sheltered) and don't leave the bay of St Tropez without visiting Port-Grimaud. You will find a place there at the capiatinerie at the entrance, but ask if they can give you a place next to the church (if not, you can go to Port de Cogolin, it is just next to Pt Grimaud, it is pretty to see, plenty of space, but there is nothing to see or to do in that harbour.
The visit of Pt Grimaud is also a must (it's a little bit like Venice).

In july and august it is interesting to make a walk in the evening from Port Fréjus to St Raphael along the coast. It is 3 km with plenty of restaurants and things you can buy.

Cannes : Try to find a place in the harbour. Not easy ! You will find a place in La Napoule and go with the taxi to Cannes. During the day, stay between the well sheltered Islands of st marguerite and st honorat just in front of Cannes, and make a walk around both islands.

Golf Juan : not interesting

Antibes : only if you have time.

Nice : There are better places to visit (the visit of the "old town" takes only 5 minutes, for the rest it is a big dirty city)

Monaco : Try every harbour. Starting with cap d'ail, then Fontvieille (the best : very nice under the Monaco Rock), then port Hercule. Hopefully you will find a place.
in general, finding a place in the harbour is difficult in the south of france, espiecially for the size of your boat. The places are also very expensive, but it is often worth.
Especially from 15th June try to be at the harbour not later then 1 pm. You can not make a reservation.
If you want to go for dinner in a top restaurant in a very pleasant surrounding, go to the Chèvre d'Or in Eze ... Check the prices first ...

Noth of Italy, I don't know, but Portofino and Rapallo are well known places.

Corsica :
St Florent : peacefull place
Calvi : not very interesting to my opinion
Sail very close along the coast of Scandola (natural reserve)
You can anchor further in Girolata. A nice peacefull spot (do not do that with a Mistral warning)

Ajaccio : worth a visit - Provisions to buy here.

Propriano : a waste of time

Bonifacio : a must, spectacular entrance. Not easy to find a place. Do not go to the inviting right where you find an easy place (just before the shelterd places start). Your ruther will touch and you might be smached against the wall ... At the left side of the entrance they put sometimes a temporary floating harbour, this is OK.

Lavezzi Islands : anchor in the first island south of Bonifacio. Very special and peaceful place with strange rocks. Silence guaranteed and well sheltered.
If you don't stay there for the night than at least make a stop there and have a look.

La Maddalena is not very interesting, no much chance to find a place in the small harbour.
Porto Cervo : the harbour of the jet set - a big name, but that' all, really nothing to see except mega yachts.

Well that's all, I 've sent earlier my opinion about sailing in Croatia.

I hope this was helpful, and hope my english was not too bad ...

Frederik

That is all the west did you not go anywhere East Med???

Capitain Mike 05-10-2011 03:39

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 790243)
I beleive your reading of the situation is incorrect. Greece will remain a basically stable country where the rule of law applies

Secondly. All western countries have spent more then they earned. The US being up there with the rest of them. Greece is just the first correction.

I also do not think that the voters of Germany or France will react in the way you think. Firstly both France and Germany have their own problems and will be pouring money into their own banks soon enough. Secondly it's the taxpayers of Greece that will pay the most. Thirdly the citizens of France and Germany will regard themselves as lucky if all that is required is a few couple of 100 billion euros to solve this mess.

Dave

Yes Dave You are absolutely correct unless you live here as I do, you don't really understand what is happening with the people etc. Goboatingnow seems to know nothing very much at all about Greece Mainland and The islands.
I have lived here on an Island a long way from Athens since January 2006. There is less work (Regulated by the tourist season) lower pay because the polish,Albanians Serbs Bulgaria Indians Pakistanis etc etc will all accept less than the minimum wage and no health payments to IKa. Transport on the far islands finishes when the tourist season ends. On this Island the season is 3 months. So no buses coaches etc 9 months of the year Tax he has to be joking its more expensive for your daily requirements to live here than Athens so obviously you pay more tax. Medical service here now there are no tourist is practically zilch. there are no capabilities for emergencies. I could go on but I wont. I am 70 have ill health but refuse to live in the UK because of its namby pandy attitude (trying to be politically correct)to the people because of all the immigrants legal and illegal because of the crime dirt fillth killings muggings bad education you cant have a Christmas tree and call it a Christmas tree because you might offend someone who is not Christian no Happy Christmas now. It has to be Happy festivities. Now England Sucks its not the England I knew 60 years ago. English men (Not British men) (they even took that away) beware you are now an Ethnic minority).

I don't expect this will be put in the thread.

Someone somewhere will find something offensive racial abusive or off topic so if it gets in I will be surprised it will more than likely be removed.

Capitain Mike 05-10-2011 04:37

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Palarran (Post 790036)
If you have Google Earth installed on your computer and are interested in seeing what I have come up with for a route, here it is. You can click on the expanding arrows to see more information and places. I'd appreciate any feedback you all may have. This file will store in your temporary places so it is easy to delete and won't conflict with any of your existing routes.

My plan is to leave St. Martin on the 3rd week of April, be at the Azores 21 days later, spend a week there, then 1 week to Gibraltar. That should put me at the Rock around June 1st.

Try to go to Lami Sami on Kefalonia Loutra on Kythnos.

Navpaxos is very pretty with a castellated harbour a castle on the hill and walls that run down almost to the harbour there is a very narrow entrance and shoals to the port on entering its very very small and there is a very good chance you cannot moor no diesel is assailable easily if you get in you will have difficulty turning round, outside is not a good place to moor get their early look and leave.
Galaxhidi I was going there but changed my mind. Corinth canal is a long trip call in at Kiato a large harbour built for tankers and commercial vessels now they do not visit no water or electric available in the main harbour but water available in the fishing harbour. and there are nice shops in the town a five minute walk. At the land entrance to fishing harbour is a good chandlers his name is Fosi. If you go there please say hello from Edita and Mike.

Aegio N38 15'51.84" E22 04'43.68" approximations don't go it is very small muddy and shallow but you can moor outside. Across the bay ESE N38 15'25.92" E22 05'.52" is a small private sailing club we got in there if you can get in there is water and electric and we were not charged for anything but there is a possibility of a charge. the local advertised diesel supplier will not supply anything under 180 litres but speak to the nice Greek man who looks after the harbour and speaks English and he knows somebody who will. tell them you want more than you need. then say sorry! wrong amount:)
Corinth canal look it up on the internet here English version Διώρυγα Κορίνθου - Corinth Canal For times days closed going east or west. At the time I went through it was closed all day Tuesdays night transit costs extra, dont trail your dingy puts the price up length of boat increases you pay at the sout /east entrance going and coming. There is nowhere to moor / stay when through the canal but on your port if it is still there is a large floating crane its not used and you can moor to that.
If you want any more info I can help you with just PM me. I sailed from Lefkas Lefkada to Amorgos on my last trip 8.50 metres Cobra sailing boat.

Frederik V 05-10-2011 04:57

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitain Mike (Post 790256)
That is all the west did you not go anywhere East Med???


Yes !


Croatia :

I loved the nature and the harbours, but we don't go back there.
When we were thee (twice) the people were not friendly at all, and there is no wind ! (But other sailors said that they had a much better experience)

Very beautiful are :

Skradin and the waterfalls (it is about two hours landinwards)
Dubrovnik
Trogir
Korcula

On your way to Greece go to Corfu and Paxoi. I should not go to Parka.


Greek Islands :

I have visited all Greek Islands south of Andros and my top 10 are :
Santorini (but go to the harbour in Ios and take the speedferry, unless your keel is less than 1,6 meter you go to the the Vlikhada harbour. Hire a car to visit Oia.)
Nisiros : and visit the Vulcano
Symi : and hire a scooter to drive around the island (panormitis)
Paros : visit Naoussa, anchor in the northern bay but first have a look at the harbour; you might find a place on the outside pier if you are lucky in the morning (beware of your rudder, go bows to)
Naxos : well equipped harbour and a very nice town
Astypalaia : Vathy - very peacefull with one little restaurant, plenty of room to anchor or go to the pier.
Kalymnos : Vathy (best to anchor or going to the pier as close as possible towards the sea)
Schoinoussa : the west bay
Levitha : try to arrive not later than 11 am to fin yourself a buoy. Anchoring in the bay on the westside is possible but I cannot recommand.
Mykonos : the town is worth a visit, well equipped harbour
Kythnos Loutra : and take a bath in the hotsprings running in the sea
Paxoi : on the westcoast of Greece (Ionic islands) on your way to Croatia, but that is another story ...

And don't go to :
Leros : Lakki

Frederik

goboatingnow 05-10-2011 06:28

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitain Mike (Post 790261)
Yes Dave You are absolutely correct unless you live here as I do, you don't really understand what is happening with the people etc. Goboatingnow seems to know nothing very much at all about Greece Mainland and The islands.
I have lived here on an Island a long way from Athens since January 2006. There is less work (Regulated by the tourist season) lower pay because the polish,Albanians Serbs Bulgaria Indians Pakistanis etc etc will all accept less than the minimum wage and no health payments to IKa.

Were a bit of topic here

Ive been to greece many times, including just recently and I have good friends of mine who work in the greek public sector for over 17 years. The main problem as recognised by those in the public sector is that they live supremely protected lives with super salaries, great holidays, pension rights and workplace rules and regs, whereas private workers have few protections, bad salaries and no pensions. Thats will have to be addressed and no doubt there will be a bit of upset over this, confined almost exclusively to the public sector

The islands are as the islands always have been, were it not for tourism,most wouldn't even exist as inhabited today.The islands are not where any potential social agitation would be anyway.

I don't for one moment deny that Greece is having it tough, much tougher any of the other PIIGS, Ireland has a competitive export trade that generates 90% of GDP, hence it will probably do OK. Portugals problems are relatively minor and Spain is purely a property problem. Italy is potenially a bigger problem, but well see.

What I was saying is that I don't see any potential breakdown in Greek society and certainly nothing that would prevent anyone from holidaying there at any stage. The public unions are of course quite militant, but nothing compared to France and certainly GB in the recent past. Greece is predominately a left of centre country by default.

Quote:

. I am 70 have ill health but refuse to live in the UK because of its namby pandy attitude (trying to be politically correct)to the people because of all the immigrants legal and illegal because of the crime dirt fillth killings muggings bad education you cant have a Christmas tree and call it a Christmas tree because you might offend someone who is not Christian no Happy Christmas now. It has to be Happy festivities. Now England Sucks its not the England I knew 60 years ago. English men (Not British men) (they even took that away) beware you are now an Ethnic minority).
Well thats a particular view of yours, not borne out by the many millions thats like to live there. Most people( except the National front) accept that the UK is a multicultural society and as such goes, does quite well at it. Im not aware of anywhere where I cant buy a "Christmas tree". In fact its in the US you get the "happy holidays" nonsense.

I often find that ex-pats have the most extreme positive or negative views of the place anyway ( the its all gone to the dogs type of stuff)
Dave

Capitain Mike 05-10-2011 14:40

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 790363)
Were a bit of topic here

Ive been to greece many times, including just recently and I have good friends of mine who work in the greek public sector for over 17 years. The main problem as recognised by those in the public sector is that they live supremely protected lives with super salaries, great holidays, pension rights and workplace rules and regs, whereas private workers have few protections, bad salaries and no pensions. Thats will have to be addressed and no doubt there will be a bit of upset over this, confined almost exclusively to the public sector

The islands are as the islands always have been, were it not for tourism,most wouldn't even exist as inhabited today.The islands are not where any potential social agitation would be anyway.

I don't for one moment deny that Greece is having it tough, much tougher any of the other PIIGS, Ireland has a competitive export trade that generates 90% of GDP, hence it will probably do OK. Portugals problems are relatively minor and Spain is purely a property problem. Italy is potenially a bigger problem, but well see.

What I was saying is that I don't see any potential breakdown in Greek society and certainly nothing that would prevent anyone from holidaying there at any stage. The public unions are of course quite militant, but nothing compared to France and certainly GB in the recent past. Greece is predominately a left of centre country by default.



Well thats a particular view of yours, not borne out by the many millions thats like to live there. Most people( except the National front) accept that the UK is a multicultural society and as such goes, does quite well at it. Im not aware of anywhere where I cant buy a "Christmas tree". In fact its in the US you get the "happy holidays" nonsense.

I often find that ex-pats have the most extreme positive or negative views of the place anyway ( the its all gone to the dogs type of stuff)
Dave

Unless you have lived in an alternate country really you cannot make an unbiased opinion.

Still its only my opinion but then again its only your opinion,

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I would not like to hazard a guess at the real number of English who have already departed for better climbs.

Plus those that would be only to pleased to leave if they were not tied by family, both old and young, youngsters being educated those that have no jobs and no money to leave children who do not want to leave for various reasons friends lifestyle etc. Those who are unable to sell what they have to start a new.

Why did I leave the UK :) you only have to look at the newspapers and TV news, got back visit for a fortnight that will sort your head out....there is a huge exodus of British citizens for one reason, the country is going down the toilet...FAST. No respect, no community spirit, over priced, under policed, drunken teenagers causing trouble everywhere at the weekends, need i go on.
I have a friend....he says I have 2 young children and there is no way on this earth i want them growing up in what the UK has become, over here they can look forward to so much the activities we can do as a family summer or winter. In the UK i wouldn't let them play out in the street, and was dreading them becoming teenagers over there.

The new happy slapping culture is just another example of how parents have failed to install any mutual respect in kids over there. What is the point is bringing up your kids the right way, to respect each each, work hard, etc etc, if they are going to get dragged down by the majority of kids around them.

For me it's the chavs and influx of EU 'migrants', I am a big bloke, bug I just don't feel safe.

The UK has opened it's doors to the HUGE EU massive, allowing the polish, Czech, Romanian. etc etc... exedus.

I have paid into the system for 20+ years and it's these scroungers that are not allowing the UK Government to fulfil their promises to the pensioners and give them back the £££ they have spent all their time paying it\and the NHS can't cope, the schools are bursting at the seams 35+ per class.

I read a report recently that the UK was not even in the top 40 of county's education achievers. Canada was number 4.

So rather than spend the rest of my life watching my back, I'd ratrher enjoy the quality of life I know it's coming....as soon as I can sell the bloody house!

Rant over~
My friend and I don't blame him.

I paid in for 45 years and I receive a pittance, God help you when you want to retire they will do what they did in Greece reduce the pensions that are already being paid. There will be nobody paying in all the money will be being sent abroad to the workers family's in other countries.


Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) indicate that some 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to mid-2006.

Many of those leaving were "long-term migrants" and not British citizens.

Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000. The figures show the UK population grew to 60,587,000 - an increase of 349,000.
BBC NEWS | UK | Record number of people leave UK

The number of non-Britons leaving the country has risen by 50% from 169,000 in 2007 to 255,000 last year Photo: REUTERS
1:14PM GMT 26 Nov 2009
But the number of new arrivals rose, with more than half-a-million people coming in, official statistics showed.

Record number of people leaving Britain - Telegraph

Over five million British citizens have moved overseas.
Four thousand more depart permanently each week.
Depending on location, your new lifestyle could involve:
Fewer hours commuting & working - more time for family & self.
Mortgage free living - or a lower mortgage.
Bluer skies, warmer weather & shorter winters.
A healthier lifestyle - more time spent in outdoor activities.
Friendlier communities - happier, more relaxed people.

Leaving The UK - Bye Bye Blighty

Its not just me

goboatingnow 05-10-2011 15:55

Re: Tips for Greece
 
CapitainMike you seriously need to take a chill pill

it remains a largely green and pleasant land.

lets go back to the topic, I have no wish to argue the merits or demerits of the UK.

Dave

yeloya 06-10-2011 02:06

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 790243)
I beleive your reading of the situation is incorrect. Greece will remain a basically stable country where the rule of law applies

Secondly. All western countries have spent more then they earned. The US being up there with the rest of them. Greece is just the first correction.

I also do not think that the voters of Germany or France will react in the way you think. Firstly both France and Germany have their own problems and will be pouring money into their own banks soon enough. Secondly it's the taxpayers of Greece that will pay the most. Thirdly the citizens of France and Germany will regard themselves as lucky if all that is required is a few couple of 100 billion euros to solve this mess.



Dave


I don't want to start a macoeconomical discussion about the Greek economy, but to point out couple of fact seems inevitable:
-yes, many countries including the USA have overspent. However, you cannot compare any of these countries by any standard to Greece. USA is one third of the world economy and has the privilege to stamp a USD banknotes as much as he wants (or almost..) Italy, Spain have a sizeable industry, Greece has nothing, but tourism, olive/olive oil; shipping, all in decline. To me, the default cannot be avoided.

Merkel has lost all recent local elections without exceptions, Sarkozy has even lost the majority in the Senate.

Said this, I have many friends living in the Dodocanese and I am visiting these islands frequently. The impact of what we said above will be minimal to us, cruisiers, It may even be positive; just don't rely their on their transport infrastructure. Long delays, cancelled flights, etc, are very likely.


One option I have is to reverse my trip. We had planned to cruise Croatia, Italy, and France in our second year (2013). Maybe I should do those areas first, see what develops, then head to Greece in 2013. It's hard to visualize this change after spending two years planning on Greece first, then the others.


Palaran, I would just do the opposite. I don't think Greece will improve over years to come. You'd better go as early as possible. Meanwhile, I may catch you in the BVI's on my way back to Med, my timing is very close to yours..

Cheers

Yeloya

goboatingnow 06-10-2011 07:04

The slow and inevitable fall of the value of the dollar shows how it's debt is effecting the view if it. China may undoutably float the yuan and in years to come it will probably become the primary reserve currency. As befits it's leading world economy.

The euro will not only survive but trive as all the world needs another reserve currency, especially in the medium term. Whether Greece partially defaults or not is somewhat irrelevant, it will not be allowed to catastrophically default. It will also remain in the euro. Greece default is primarily a European banking issue and these exposed banks will be recapitalized.

All this is to say that no planing by any tourist should be factored on these macro money issues. Go and visit and enjoy. Worrying about the odd transport strike in a European country is just amusing.

Dave

Capitain Mike 06-10-2011 12:25

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 790693)
CapitainMike you seriously need to take a chill pill

it remains a largely green and pleasant land.

lets go back to the topic, I have no wish to argue the merits or demerits of the UK.

Dave

The topic it is.

Politics and religion are usually subjects that I stay clear of. Yes a largely green and pleasant land "where it is not inhabited" I am saving a chill pill for you whenever you want it, I will have it waiting
https://freeemoticonsandsmileys.com/a...ons/doctor.gif :banghead:

swagman 10-10-2011 00:34

Re: Tips for Greece
 
You have to smile when anyone whinges over UK immigration.......but thats prpbably not a new thing.

The islands original inhabitants probably whinged when the Celts arrived.
The Celts probably whinged when the first Angles arrived.
They were probably seriously pissed when the Romans rocked up.
The resultant mix resented the Vikings who came next....and then, bugger me, the Normans arrived to take control.......
For of course then came the more recent layers of refugees from the big wars, the mix of peoples who worked in the wider Brtish Empire, and now the influx of EU residents who enjoy the same rights to work that the Brits get from EU membership.

Do you ever wonder Mike, just when your family genes actually immigrated to the UK? I would love to get a handle on why someone who thinks that come from one layer of immigrant believes that gives them greater ownership of a land, than those who arrived in a different period?

For me this mixed layer of races in the UK does it no harm. Sure each influx presents issues to deal with (ask the Celts) but it eventually settles down to make a mixed special place. A place where freedoms are still valued.

Anyway I'm sure you appreicate being in the EU just so you can run off the Greece and enjoy life there........you made the right decision.

But perhaps stop whinging.
It makes you sound oddly like an Englishman..........

John

Capitain Mike 10-10-2011 08:09

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swagman (Post 793251)
You have to smile when anyone whinges over UK immigration.......but thats prpbably not a new thing.

The islands original inhabitants probably whinged when the Celts arrived.
The Celts probably whinged when the first Angles arrived.
They were probably seriously pissed when the Romans rocked up.
The resultant mix resented the Vikings who came next....and then, bugger me, the Normans arrived to take control.......
For of course then came the more recent layers of refugees from the big wars, the mix of peoples who worked in the wider Brtish Empire, and now the influx of EU residents who enjoy the same rights to work that the Brits get from EU membership.

Do you ever wonder Mike, just when your family genes actually immigrated to the UK? I would love to get a handle on why someone who thinks that come from one layer of immigrant believes that gives them greater ownership of a land, than those who arrived in a different period?

For me this mixed layer of races in the UK does it no harm. Sure each influx presents issues to deal with (ask the Celts) but it eventually settles down to make a mixed special place. A place where freedoms are still valued.

Anyway I'm sure you appreicate being in the EU just so you can run off the Greece and enjoy life there........you made the right decision.

But perhaps stop whinging.
It makes you sound oddly like an Englishman..........

John

Answered by PM
To avoid filling the thread.

swagman 10-10-2011 12:03

Re: Tips for Greece
 
G'day Mike,
I got the super long pm and it must have taken a long time to put all that together.
Clearly you feel strongly on this subject but not nice to cast such snide comments via a private message.
I strongly suggest you need to chill. You're getting too het up on this one. Dial me me out of any more pm's and sail safe.

JOHN

atoll 10-10-2011 12:20

Re: Tips for Greece
 
alive and well in cornwall,soon to be independent from the uk.
plans are afoot on cornering the pastie market to the uk and taxing sunshine users.....

Capitain Mike 11-10-2011 04:38

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swagman (Post 793615)
G'day Mike,
I got the super long pm and it must have taken a long time to put all that together.
Clearly you feel strongly on this subject but not nice to cast such snide comments via a private message.
I strongly suggest you need to chill. You're getting too het up on this one. Dial me me out of any more pm's and sail safe.

JOHN

Snide no!! True Yes!! Don't start something you cannot finish.
So consider yourself dialled out Good luck and safe and happy sailing to you and yours. Mike

svBeBe 12-10-2011 00:55

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Can we stop the snide socioeconomic/political remarks. Recent postings are of no benefit regarding Tips for Greece -- which is supposed to be the topic of this thread.

Judy
S/V BeBe

Capitain Mike 12-10-2011 01:07

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Hi BeBe,
Being in the Med cruising do you have any helpful tips that would help me, maybe tips that I have missed I would be most grateful for your help.

Mike

svBeBe 12-10-2011 01:34

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitain Mike (Post 794802)
Hi BeBe,
Being in the Med cruising do you have any helpful tips that would help me, maybe tips that I have missed I would be most grateful for your help.

Mike

Since you live in Greece there is likely not anything I would know that you don't already know.

We entered Greece at Samos in June 2011 and sailed west to Piraeus, then zig-zagged island hopping down to Crete before sailing east again. Some of the tips I read earlier in this thread were beneficial as we island hopped. As we plan to visit Greece at least twice again in the next 2 summers, any tips are greatly appreciated. Prognostications on the economic and political situation in Greece are of no use; whatever happens will happen and cruisers comments won't affect those happenings. We will visit twice again unless Americans are barred from entering Greece for some unforeseeable reason.

Best tip I can provide is to buy a dozen or so of those .88Euro stamps when you can find them --the stamps that should be posted to your transit log . These were not available in Pythagoria on Samos or at Piraeus when we visited, yet in Piraeus the official wanted us to have the stamp. He waived the stamp since these were not available for purchase, but told us to buy several at our next stop. Tried to purchase the stamps at Nikolaou on Kea but the officials there had never heard of these stamps. Cruised through Greece for 86 days and never did find a place to purchase these stamps, and never encountered a problem with the officials for the lack of the stamps. Seemed as though as long as you cleared in at the various ports and had the transit log entries by the various port police, then the required stamp was ignored.

Our favorite anchorage thus far in Greece was Ormos Kolona at Kithnos, lat 37.40.1N long 024.19.3E because of the nice beaches and great shelter (avoid during westerlies). Favorite town quay was at Finikas on Syros. Lovely little town with very easy and frequent bus access to the main town. Car rentals available at reasonable price to allow visiting the old walled town up in the mountains. Next trip we hope to visit different islands.

One tip I will mention to anyone planning to visit Ios. If winds pick up any at all, the western outer quay becomes completely untenable. I would not leave my boat there for a ferry trip to Santorini unless positively certain that there would be no winds developing during my absence. We watched one boat after another depart off that wall and head out in 30-kt winds because they had no choice. Try to get in the inner harbor, where it gets very bouncy due to surge caused by arriving fast ferries; but is very protected from any wind.

Judy
S/V BeBe

Frederik V 12-10-2011 02:28

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by svBeBe (Post 794809)
Since you live in Greece there is likely not anything I would know that you don't already know.

We entered Greece at Samos in June 2011 and sailed west to Piraeus, then zig-zagged island hopping down to Crete before sailing east again. Some of the tips I read earlier in this thread were beneficial as we island hopped. As we plan to visit Greece at least twice again in the next 2 summers, any tips are greatly appreciated. Prognostications on the economic and political situation in Greece are of no use; whatever happens will happen and cruisers comments won't affect those happenings. We will visit twice again unless Americans are barred from entering Greece for some unforeseeable reason.

Best tip I can provide is to buy a dozen or so of those .88Euro stamps when you can find them --the stamps that should be posted to your transit log . These were not available in Pythagoria on Samos or at Piraeus when we visited, yet in Piraeus the official wanted us to have the stamp. He waived the stamp since these were not available for purchase, but told us to buy several at our next stop. Tried to purchase the stamps at Nikolaou on Kea but the officials there had never heard of these stamps. Cruised through Greece for 86 days and never did find a place to purchase these stamps, and never encountered a problem with the officials for the lack of the stamps. Seemed as though as long as you cleared in at the various ports and had the transit log entries by the various port police, then the required stamp was ignored.

Our favorite anchorage thus far in Greece was Ormos Kolona at Kithnos, lat 37.40.1N long 024.19.3E because of the nice beaches and great shelter (avoid during westerlies). Favorite town quay was at Finikas on Syros. Lovely little town with very easy and frequent bus access to the main town. Car rentals available at reasonable price to allow visiting the old walled town up in the mountains. Next trip we hope to visit different islands.

One tip I will mention to anyone planning to visit Ios. If winds pick up any at all, the western outer quay becomes completely untenable. I would not leave my boat there for a ferry trip to Santorini unless positively certain that there would be no winds developing during my absence. We watched one boat after another depart off that wall and head out in 30-kt winds because they had no choice. Try to get in the inner harbor, where it gets very bouncy due to surge caused by arriving fast ferries; but is very protected from any wind.

Judy
S/V BeBe

Ormos colona on Kytnos is a very nice place indeed. But the anchor didn't hold well and was rather crowded (june 2006), and because of the western wind (even if it was blowing not too hard) we had to leave this spot in the middel of the night which was a little tricky. A good spot on this Island was the other side, where you can bath in the hot springs that run in the small harbour.
We were also in Syros in Ermoupouli. As the Meltemi was blowing and that we well well anchored, it was impossible to hold the boat (bav 44) next to the quay because of the swell in the harbour. (many boats were just sailing around in the harbour because of that) We finally decided to go to Tinos as it seemed better protected. Just in front of the very small harbour of Tinos, we had a peak wind of 56 knots, and couldn't see the entrance because of the wash. Finally we got in, and we were lucky, there was just one spot left for our boat and we remained there, well sheltered for 2 days.

Ios had a new long pier now in june this year. Plenty of room, but not easy to enter, because of the westernwind. Anchor far enough for a good holding and get good speed to enter...

Frederik

touchngo 12-10-2011 03:03

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Anybody have experience of anchoring overnight at Dilos/Delos? On GE it looks as if you could anchor and take a stern line ashore in the port area, but I can't find any info on depths (Navionics has the whole area at 10Mtrs and CM93V2 has zilch).

Appreciate any input you may have.

Cheers, PT.

beneteau-500 12-10-2011 05:06

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Best tip I can provide is to buy a dozen or so of those .88Euro stamps when you can find them --the stamps that should be posted to your transit log . These were not available in Pythagoria on Samos or at Piraeus when we visited, yet in Piraeus the official wanted us to have the stamp. He waived the stamp since these were not available for purchase, but told us to buy several at our next stop. Tried to purchase the stamps at Nikolaou on Kea but the officials there had never heard of these stamps. Cruised through Greece for 86 days and never did find a place to purchase these stamps, and never encountered a problem with the officials for the lack of the stamps. Seemed as though as long as you cleared in at the various ports and had the transit log entries by the various port police, then the required stamp was ignored.

S/V BeBe[/QUOTE]


The problem in obtaining these tax stamps (size A8 sheet ) is that in the past the port police use to collect them but due to the austerity measures that the Greek gov introduce the tax office took this responsibility back to protect jobs .

to obtain these tax stamps you must visit a tax office between the hrs of 09.00 to 14.00 you need to take along your passport as well

judy i will bring you some in november

Capitain Mike 12-10-2011 06:13

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beneteau-500 (Post 794868)
Best tip I can provide is to buy a dozen or so of those .88Euro stamps when you can find them --the stamps that should be posted to your transit log . These were not available in Pythagoria on Samos or at Piraeus when we visited, yet in Piraeus the official wanted us to have the stamp. He waived the stamp since these were not available for purchase, but told us to buy several at our next stop. Tried to purchase the stamps at Nikolaou on Kea but the officials there had never heard of these stamps. Cruised through Greece for 86 days and never did find a place to purchase these stamps, and never encountered a problem with the officials for the lack of the stamps. Seemed as though as long as you cleared in at the various ports and had the transit log entries by the various port police, then the required stamp was ignored.

S/V BeBe


The problem in obtaining these tax stamps (size A8 sheet ) is that in the past the port police use to collect them but due to the austerity measures that the Greek gov introduce the tax office took this responsibility back to protect jobs .

to obtain these tax stamps you must visit a tax office between the hrs of 09.00 to 14.00 you need to take along your passport as well

judy i will bring you some in november[/QUOTE]

So far I have never been asked for them or used them, I think a lot depends on the port Police they don't like paperwork!! and avoid it as much as possible

swagman 12-10-2011 07:02

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Best tip I can give is not to stay overnight in Lesbos Harbour on a still hot night. They open the sewers to run out though the harbour around 2 am, and if there is no rain and wind, you'll soon notice it.

Secondary tips by way of favourite locations in no particular order are:

Ermioni 37 23'06N 23 15'28E. Anchored off or in the harbour, good location to explore ashore and nearby amphitheatre.

Lindos 36 05'13N 28 05'18E. There is room for one or two in an almost perfectly sheltered bay below the high cliffs. Stunning and good cliffside restaurants in the town.

Amorgos 36 47'34N 25 44'43E. On the islands SW tip there is a round bay sheltered from S,W and E and nice beaches. Just round the headland is a wreck used on a fairly popular movie (but I can't remember its name). Great diving.

Rhodes Harbour 36 26'58N 28 13'35E. Your right in the heart of the town but this is the harbour that had the famous statue bridging its mouth - so real history to experience.

Kynthos 37 24'50N 24 22'41E. Super bolt hole if you are close and bad weather looks likely. The two bays adjacent to each other will give you a choice to suit wind direction. Typically deserted but a couple of shoreside tavernas.

Gios Georgis 37 28.22N 23 55'00E. Uninhabited and no bays, but stunning high red cliffs if you get close south side late arvo. You can anchor off south side in the typical N'ly winds but no protection if the wind changes.

Corinth Canal - if you've not transited this its worth the experience.

Hydra 37 20'57N 23 27'53E. Packed harbour but so pretty a town its worth putting up with the hassel.

Ithaki 38 22'52N 20 41'56E. Typically windy harbour but ok if you turn immediately to port after rounding the bend, and moor stern to the small jetties in the SW corner of the bay (directly opposite away from the town). Great island to explore by walking or on wheels.

And if you are nearby, ignore the jibes about Fiskardo on Kefallonia being like a Disney set. It is, and accordingly crowded with charters by early arvo. But get in before and you'll have an enjoyable night.

And finally Corfu. The multiple bays up it's east coast present a wide choice of anchorages, and Corfu town itself is well worth the visit.

Hope this is useful.

JOHN

Frederik V 12-10-2011 07:12

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by touchngo (Post 794825)
Anybody have experience of anchoring overnight at Dilos/Delos? On GE it looks as if you could anchor and take a stern line ashore in the port area, but I can't find any info on depths (Navionics has the whole area at 10Mtrs and CM93V2 has zilch).

Appreciate any input you may have.

Cheers, PT.

Once you passed the very small Delos passage you can anchor not too far from the ruins (500 m). We have anchored there for some hours and just looked at the ruins from our dinghy, but I think it is not recommanded to stay overnight there. It doesn't look secure in that channel. There is no shelter for the Meltemi. I guess it is very dangerous there with the Meltemi. It is also not a very inviting surrounding. You better go through that channel and do what we did and stay there only for a very short time, and then go to Naxos which is a very pleasant place (go to the castro on top, and make a reservation for an evening concert on a very nice spot with a nice view over the city). You will surely love it. You don't have to pay for a nice place in the harbour. There is plenty of place, electricity and water. Hire a car and visit the island to the north, the island is worth a visit.

Frederik

hoppy 12-10-2011 12:41

On the island of Maratho I found a taverna that was a pleasant surprise. Nice food and nice environment. They ave several laid moorings an so does the other taverna in the cove. Not sure what the taverna was called but it was started by an old Greek couple who moved back to Greece from Melbourne in the 70's and is now run by their son and his wife.

Latitude: 37° 22.039 N
Longitude: 26° 43.594 E

https://www.pbase.com/el_hoppy/image/138341953.jpg

https://www.pbase.com/el_hoppy/image/138342067.jpg

Nice saganaki :)

https://www.pbase.com/el_hoppy/image/138341957.jpg

Capitain Mike 12-10-2011 14:26

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swagman (Post 794914)
Best tip I can give is not to stay overnight in Lesbos Harbour on a still hot night. They open the sewers to run out though the harbour around 2 am, and if there is no rain and wind, you'll soon notice it.

Secondary tips by way of favourite locations in no particular order are:

Ermioni 37 23'06N 23 15'28E. Anchored off or in the harbour, good location to explore ashore and nearby amphitheatre.

Lindos 36 05'13N 28 05'18E. There is room for one or two in an almost perfectly sheltered bay below the high cliffs. Stunning and good cliffside restaurants in the town.

Amorgos 36 47'34N 25 44'43E. On the islands SW tip there is a round bay sheltered from S,W and E and nice beaches. Just round the headland is a wreck used on a fairly popular movie (but I can't remember its name). Great diving.

Rhodes Harbour 36 26'58N 28 13'35E. Your right in the heart of the town but this is the harbour that had the famous statue bridging its mouth - so real history to experience.

Kynthos 37 24'50N 24 22'41E. Super bolt hole if you are close and bad weather looks likely. The two bays adjacent to each other will give you a choice to suit wind direction. Typically deserted but a couple of shoreside tavernas.

Gios Georgis 37 28.22N 23 55'00E. Uninhabited and no bays, but stunning high red cliffs if you get close south side late arvo. You can anchor off south side in the typical N'ly winds but no protection if the wind changes.

Corinth Canal - if you've not transited this its worth the experience.

Hydra 37 20'57N 23 27'53E. Packed harbour but so pretty a town its worth putting up with the hassel.

Ithaki 38 22'52N 20 41'56E. Typically windy harbour but ok if you turn immediately to port after rounding the bend, and moor stern to the small jetties in the SW corner of the bay (directly opposite away from the town). Great island to explore by walking or on wheels.

And if you are nearby, ignore the jibes about Fiskardo on Kefallonia being like a Disney set. It is, and accordingly crowded with charters by early arvo. But get in before and you'll have an enjoyable night.

And finally Corfu. The multiple bays up it's east coast present a wide choice of anchorages, and Corfu town itself is well worth the visit.

Hope this is useful.

JOHN

Amorgos 1998 the film was called The Big Blue
Directed by Luc Besson. Starring Jean-Marc Barr, Jean Reno, Rosanna Arquette.

Fiskardo, Yes Very Busy I preferred Limani Sami further down the coast from Fiskardo on Kefalonia
Limani Sami 38*15',62N 20*38'47,82E

Korinth Canal a great excursion.
Corinth Canal

38*23'34.37N 21*49'38.95E
Navpaxos pretty to look at but no room to stay.

Palarran 12-10-2011 17:17

Re: Tips for Greece
 
One of the personal goals I have for sailing Greece is to learn how to cook decent Mediterranean food. I've found 5 one day cooking schools on islands we are going to visit.

Cretan traditional cooking lessons - Vamos Traditional Village
Aegean Dreams on Mykonos - One Day Cooking Class Vacation Details
Greek Cooking vacations , holidays and courses in Greece
Learning Holidays - Courses, Activities & Experiences
Sea Kayaking Kefalonia Greece - Greek Cooking Lessons
Greekalicious Food: Prices

I am dreaming the fun of it will be finding local markets for fresh ingredients and enjoying the success's and laughing about the failures. I've already tried moussaka, spanakopita, and a couple ground lamb dishes. The moussaka was inedible :)

Another fun adventure I've found is caving. There are a lot of caves on Crete. It would be nice to break up the day by getting a car and exploring some of them. The water caves look awesome also. I'd also try a little cliff diving with the right amount of courage.

We are beginning kite boarders also. Naxos looks like it's the kite boarding capital of the Aegean. I've found many other spots that look promising. The west tip of Rhodes, Astypalaia, and Karpathos.

The Vouraikos Canyon Railway would be fun for a day. Delphi, Meteora, and Olympia would be interesting. We would really like to be able to explore the islands and mainland as much as enjoying the ports proper.

Any suggestions I should add to my "hit list"?

Capitain Mike 13-10-2011 08:10

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yeloya (Post 790955)
I don't want to start a macoeconomical discussion about the Greek economy, but to point out couple of fact seems inevitable:
-yes, many countries including the USA have overspent. However, you cannot compare any of these countries by any standard to Greece. USA is one third of the world economy and has the privilege to stamp a USD banknotes as much as he wants (or almost..) Italy, Spain have a sizeable industry, Greece has nothing, but tourism, olive/olive oil; shipping, all in decline. To me, the default cannot be avoided.

Merkel has lost all recent local elections without exceptions, Sarkozy has even lost the majority in the Senate.

Said this, I have many friends living in the Dodocanese and I am visiting these islands frequently. The impact of what we said above will be minimal to us, cruisiers, It may even be positive; just don't rely their on their transport infrastructure. Long delays, cancelled flights, etc, are very likely.


One option I have is to reverse my trip. We had planned to cruise Croatia, Italy, and France in our second year (2013). Maybe I should do those areas first, see what develops, then head to Greece in 2013. It's hard to visualize this change after spending two years planning on Greece first, then the others.


Palaran, I would just do the opposite. I don't think Greece will improve over years to come. You'd better go as early as possible. Meanwhile, I may catch you in the BVI's on my way back to Med, my timing is very close to yours..

Cheers

Yeloya

I agree with you entirely. Go as soon as possible. Otherwise it will look like UK when you visit Greece

GreekWaters 02-01-2012 07:43

Re: Tips for Greece
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky (Post 636491)
The season in Med is closer and closer, so I'm starting this thread for exchange of tips for summer cruise in Greece.

For the begenning my first tip:

LEVITHA ISLAND (NISIDA LEVITHA)

Here is the link for GoogleMaps:

Levitha


It is just a tiny piece of rock in the middle of nowhere (really between the Dodecanese and Cyclades - formally belongs to Dodecanese, as part of Leros community, but actually it is closer to Amorgos in Cyclades).

The island is unspoilt place, without water tap or electricity, but it has a fine anchorage, completely protected from Meltemi. Only one family of four or five live there and they run small tavern. Fantastic grilled fish and - if You were lucky - You will find there the best, probably, grilled lobster in Aegean.

Definitely worth a visit :)

Hello Double Whiskey,

although your messages are old (since early 2011) I can suggest also Kyparrisi bay, in eastern Peloponnese. It's not as far from Athens as Levitha island but it's certainly worth visiting as it's not as busy as it seems. Berth is safe from all winds, food is good, and there are big trees till the coast line.

Best,

Greekwaters

fishtail 05-02-2012 10:09

sailing guides for Greece
 
This has been a very informative thread but there has been no mention of pilot books etc.
The most well known book used in Greece is the "Greek waters pilot "by Rod Heikell,which gives a fairly comprehensive guide to the area. However there is an excellent guide written by Nicholas Elias "Greece Sea Guide"
There are three books in this series,covering all of Greece,they are expensive but include very detailed charts for all the area so you don't need to buy any more charts. The information is much more detailed than the Heikell book and is invaluable in planning any trip.
They are not on sale everywhere,but I believe that an e mail to the author will
get them by post.

jckb 09-02-2012 05:57

Re: Tips for Greece
 
There are some really good tips on this thread. I've cruised Greece for many years, and agree with most of the recommendations. See this Greece page, and the links in its right hand menu for more detail about Greek cruising areas.

However, this topic does include some misconceptions about the cruising regulations in Greece. Not surprising, since the port police don't tell visitors what the regulations are!

So another tip is to check out the links above and see if they're useful. If there are mistakes on them, post comments to the pages to correct them - if you subscribe to the site.

JimB


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