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foggysail 22-11-2010 15:22

I think he wants to ban those things he does not like. That to me is means implementing greater use of PC!

Woops, another exclamination point.

foggysail 22-11-2010 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weyalan (Post 564387)
Use of the word should not, in my opinion, be offensive unless it is specifically directed at somebody. By the same token, the phrase (emoticon) "flogging a dead horse" is not inherently offensive unless you are telling somebody that they are...

And, for the record, I don't think that spoonerising epithets makes them any less profane... ymmv


Just cannot please everybody! I for one see no benefit in publicly using or displaying profanity

perchance 22-11-2010 15:26

What's the emoticon for stirring up a hornets nest?

bljones 22-11-2010 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weyalan (Post 564387)
By the same token, the phrase (emoticon) "flogging a dead horse" is not inherently offensive unless you are telling somebody that they are...

Why is stating a fact offensive? Advising someone that they are beating a dead horse is not offensive. Saying "You're beating a dead horse, a**hole" is.
In any event I do not think there is an emoticon for assholishness.

zeehag 22-11-2010 15:31

flogging a dead horse used to be , where i grew up, BEATING a dead horse, what is profane about that?? some folks tend to do that..is merely a descriptive phrase for saying the subject has been hashed over so many times we are tired of it. what is profane there?? nothing at all. isnt even about sex. lol

Therapy 22-11-2010 15:32

I think we need a lot more.


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This site has lots and they are great (for the most part).

That whole huge area of ones to choose from for a post reply is wasted space. Replace it with a slew of emoticons.

They also save writing a thousand words that I cannot articulate well enough to not be understood the way I meant it.

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SurferShane 22-11-2010 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564249)
Politeness may be PC, but it can always stand upon itís own merits.
Our CF is noted for itís politeness, amongst other things.

There is a time and place for these emoticons? Like anything else it is up to the individual poster to use them appropriately?

sailorboy1 22-11-2010 15:37

Symbols or words...............it's all how they are used. If symbols are banned..................are words far behind!

avb3 22-11-2010 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 564395)
flogging a dead horse used to be , where i grew up, BEATING a dead horse, what is profane about that?? some folks tend to do that..is merely a descriptive phrase for saying the subject has been hashed over so many times we are tired of it. what is profane there?? nothing at all. isnt even about sex. lol

I know a few cowboys on some ranches who would describe this thread about as "useless as sucking farts out of a dead horse":deadhorsebeat:

I just about lost my coffee the first time I heard that one.

And no offense is intended towards anyone or their comments :flowers:

SurferShane 22-11-2010 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey (Post 564248)

Seriously folks this one is a bit of a work of art? I am happy to skip the cynicism and am just left wondering how he did that!

avb3 22-11-2010 15:50

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Originally Posted by SurferShane (Post 564404)
Seriously folks this one is a bit of a work of art? I am happy to skip the cynicism and am just left wondering how he did that!

Something like this I think:

Bluefuss 22-11-2010 15:54

I think you are floggin a dead horse on this one Gord.

Weyalan 22-11-2010 15:55

There is nothing profane about flogging / beating a dead horse per se, but using it as a counter to a person's argument is (a) weak argument, and (b) utterly subjective... one mans flogged dead horse is another man's valid additional point.

As for the profanity value of "assholishness", per se, I guess it just goes to show that some people draw the line in different places. I certainly would have thought that this particular phrase was sufficiently ingrained into common parlance to have lost any vestige of it's perceived offensiveness... but I guess you can colour me wrong. I shall, henceforth, refrain from using it unless I am actually trying to give offense.

boatman61 22-11-2010 15:56

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Originally Posted by Bash (Post 564288)
GordMay's point that the emoticons can be used to insult is well taken. For some members the emoticons have become a mechanism to act out passive-aggressive behavior. This is typical in communities, especially families, where the honest expression of feelings is forbidden. For example, children in a family of alcoholic parents will often learn passive-aggressive behaviors, such as malicious compliance, in order to mask vindictive intent.

The careful observer will certainly see the same thing happening here on the forum. The emoticon becomes an acceptable way to gesture with the middle finger while technically not violating the be-nice rule. The rule is being complied with, and yet the compliance is malicious in terms of its intent. Happily, we only have a few members who misuse the emoticons this way. Sadly, one of those members has one of our highest posting-per-day rates.

I'm not certain that banning potentially insulting emoticons will solve the problem of malicious compliance with the be-nice rule. In place of the emoticons we'll end up with such abbreviations as LMFAO, or FFS, which often are employed at the service of the same sort of malicious intent. Honestly, I'd rather see the less articulate among us resort to the head-banger emoticon than mask their cursing via abbreviations.

No abbreviations here.... just.. Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off
at a hilarious pseudo psychoanalytical interpretation of Emoticon use...
from a very narrow 'superior' view point.
As stated by a previous poster.. one is free to choose whether or not one uses them.. he does not, I do...
This does not mean one is the product of a home broken by alcoholic child abuse, social deprivation and a lack of education... or of a malicious and vindictive nature...
As a matter of fact your post contains more offense and snide superiority than all the emoticons together...
At the very least the person/s you are referring to place the offending object in a direct response to another persons post... and does not make general allusions that denigrate a fairly broad spectrum of users on CF.....
You've had a lot of new members who've joined after 'lurking' for quite a while because they've found the site amusing, informative and friendly....
If.. as is claimed, Emoticon use is 'abusive'... do you honestly think they'd be joining.. or are they more of the 'Socially/Educationally Deprived' being attracted by the likes of :banghead:

bljones 22-11-2010 15:57

Personally, i have no problem with profanity. Sometimes it is the only way to accurately describe an emotion, situation or predicament

perchance 22-11-2010 16:07

Hey did the ancient Egyptians invent emoticons?

TaoJones 22-11-2010 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey (Post 564337)
I love everyone on CF.com.

And I include the odd nit-pickers. and those humourlessly challenged.

Yeah, I love everyone. and I don't need emoticons to say that. me being in touch with my inner play nice child and everything.

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child and kick it’s little ass
:smiling:

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

From "Get Over It" by The Eagles
EAGLES "GET OVER IT" Lyrics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tb1ze588Xw


TaoJones

IdoraKeeper 22-11-2010 16:25

I am a little slow sometimes
 
Uhh You Guys? I think it's getting a little dark and dreary in Thunderbay and this Gord's way of telling us that he would like a discussion on tidal precession or celestial navigation as it relates to classic French literature. He may feel that we are not using the dark days of fall to better ourselves.

He is having us on and Bash is in on it with him. I am chastened. I will lay off DOJ's goat and stop auccusing boatman of hoarding "racnas". Perhaps even a trip down to see Charlie Cobra to get my hands dirty at some honest work is in order. I am sure he could then put up a good post on the imposibility of teaching me to spiel a plank.

Todd

Wand 22-11-2010 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564249)
Politeness may be PC, but it can always stand upon itís own merits.
Our CF is noted for itís politeness, amongst other things.

Well, I think that all posts displaying inappropriate application of the apostrophe should be removed from the site forthwith. So sorry gord, but the two strikes above would count you out. :whistling::D

Bash 22-11-2010 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by IdoraKeeper (Post 564443)

He is having us on and Bash is in on it with him. I am chastened.

:devil:

hummingway 22-11-2010 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by boatman61 (Post 564418)
As stated by a previous poster.. one is free to choose whether or not one uses them.. he does not, I do...
This does not mean one is the product of a home broken by alcoholic child abuse, social deprivation and a lack of education... or of a malicious and vindictive nature...

I'm not sure how you read that into Bash's post. I certainly didn't. His point, as I read it, is that very few misuse the emoticons and that this misuse is inevitable as long as we are required to play nice.

zeehag 22-11-2010 16:37

but is same word twice-- i think he gets one more chance......:whistling:

IdoraKeeper 22-11-2010 16:38

See? I knew it!

NotQuiteLost 22-11-2010 16:39

I don't think you can police intent, which is why historically laws and codes of conduct have been just that: codes of conduct. It's not that you have to automatically give a pass in every situation where you think there is a psuedo-violation occurring, but more often than not the benefit of the doubt must be applied.

Emoticons are actually a fairly useful outlet, in my opinion. They allow people to express their childish/sarcastic/angry/frustrated condition, while simultaneously allowing the readers an opportunity to take the hint. If it's all words, it would get awfully serious, and people would start looking for the hidden meaning a lot more, which is absolutely devastating to an online community's health.

Add more emoticons if you're concerned with their proper use. Then, when you suspect someone might be expressing a sentiment which isn't quite properly covered by their chosen emoticon, remind them that there are more purpose-specific emoticons available. People would mostly use the correct one, anyways.

zeehag 22-11-2010 16:44

;)
:popcorn:

Wand 22-11-2010 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeehag (Post 564457)
but is same word twice-- i think he gets one more chance......:whistling:

You're right zee, i was being way too :banghead: and should have shown more :flowers: Although on this issue i know i'll always be :deadhorsebeat:

boatman61 22-11-2010 16:56

Buga this... :p I'm of to dance with a dog......:sprint:

senormechanico 22-11-2010 16:58

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gettinthere 22-11-2010 17:06

5 pages of this?


:deadhorsebeat::deadhorsebeat::deadhorsebeat::dead horsebeat::deadhorsebeat:




:whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling::whist ling:


:D

Bash 22-11-2010 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by hummingway (Post 564454)
I'm not sure how you read that into Bash's post. I certainly didn't. His point, as I read it, is that very few misuse the emoticons and that this misuse is inevitable as long as we are required to play nice.

I'm suddenly eager for my students to return from Thanksgiving break; I think I'm going to assign this thread next week. I'm teaching a rhetoric class this quarter, and we've been getting into Reader Response Theory the past two weeks. In essence, and here I over-simplify, RRT posits that a text takes its meaning from the act of being read, not from authorial intent. What I write is insignificant in terms of how you choose to read something I've written. Compare the different readings I've been given by hummingway, boatman61 and, ultimately, IdoraKeeper.

The significance of emoticons is that they signal intent in a medium that often ambiguous in terms of a text's exigence--the question of why the writer picked up the pen. Was I joking when I wrote that first post, or was I serious? We don't really know. All we know for certain is that the lack of emoticons (or other signifyers such as "lol") made the text more difficult to interpret.

I am convinced that it's healthy to chat about how we chat, and even to argue about how we argue. We are not only constrained by the medium in which we conduct our forum, but also by the rules under which we agree to play.

That said, hummingway's interpretation that I'm arguing "that very few abuse the emoticons" is certainly....

Irie 22-11-2010 17:14

Gord, you asked what my emoticom added. That particular one just represents to me that I am just am observer more than a participant (in this instance). That was the very first time I ever used one in a post cause I really didn't know how but this thread made me curious.

avb3 22-11-2010 17:22

Now who'd a thunk it?

First post on this thread went up 5 hours ago, and FIVE pages of responses.

Topic? Sex? Nope.
Well.. Religion? Nope
Must be politics, right? Nope

Well... now what topic would evoke such an outpouring of responses?

I know!

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bstreep 22-11-2010 17:28

Maybe this makes more sense:

Just because you use an emoticon rather than words, you are still not permitted to insult someone.

You Change the TOU to include emoticons. And Gord, you are right - they CAN be insulting.

However, the "Beating a dead horse" should ALWAYS be used when debating "Mono vs Multi".

TaoJones 22-11-2010 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by avb3 (Post 564495)
Now who'd a thunk it?

First post on this thread went up 5 hours ago, and FIVE pages of responses.

Topic? Sex? Nope.
Well.. Religion? Nope
Must be politics, right? Nope

Well... now what topic would evoke such an outpouring of responses?

I know!

https://www.free-smiley.info/generato...oticons%21.gif

In thinking back over the recent past, I don't think even the Jessica Watson threads got so many posts in such a short period of time. Amazing!

TaoJones

muskoka 22-11-2010 17:33

Is this thread a wind up?

I wouldn't consider any of those emoticons offensive. Those expressions are used in business and social discourse all the time. I think most can figure out the difference between lively debate and abusive behavior quite easily.

Vote: Keep 'em going

IdoraKeeper 22-11-2010 17:39

a job of work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bash (Post 564488)
I'm suddenly eager for my students to return from Thanksgiving break; I think I'm going to assign this thread next week.

By the time they see it this thread will twenty pages. But if they undertand that it comes from all over the planet and across cultures they will have an excellent exposition of your point to examine.

Gord really started a riot.

Todd

Starbuck 22-11-2010 17:44

Emoticons Don't Insult People: People Insult People
 
Quote:

GordMay saidóI think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldnít permit if overtly expressed in words.
There's a problem with the premise of the original post: that some emoticons are inherently "smart-ass" and/or "insulting." If the premise were valid, the conclusion would be sound; however, the premise is not valid.

These little animated pictures are not inherently pejorative: it is the context in which they are used that determines meaning. Any of the emoticons highlighted in the OP can be used in ways that are innocent. Consider the following hypothetical, but very plausible, examples:
Quote:

You, know, an M-16 with a scope will take out those annoying Powered Water Craft. :whistling:
Quote:

Clearing in and out of [COUNTRY NAME] is an experience you wouldn't believe. :rolleyes:
Quote:

I've been grinding for days now, and I still can't get all the 5200 the previous owner used to bed all the deck hardware! :banghead:
Quote:

So the owner realizes he just took 50 gallons of No. 2 diesel down the wrong deck fitting, and these two guys start screaming at each other right there on the fuel dockÖ:popcorn:
Quote:

You can leave the generator on for hours, but you're never going to get all 220 amp-hours stored in a battery that has lost 20% of it's storage capacity, no matter what your meter says. :deadhorsebeat:
All innocently used, but I could just as easily use each of them in ways that are disparaging, insulting, belittling and degrading.

The problem isn't the emoticons, amoral collections of pixels they are: the problem is that they are used (notice the passive verb) to disparage, insult, belittle and degrade.

The mods go a great job of creating a culture of respect and camaraderie around here. If you're going to restrict anything, restrict behavior, not icons.

Chief Engineer 22-11-2010 17:52

This is turning into another anchorgunmonomultigasordiesel thread.

On of the 4 agreements......Don't take anything personally.

I would rather see emoticons than some obscure Acronym

qrncia 22-11-2010 17:55

Hope the OP is taking the Mick... Can't be bleedin' serious?

capn_billl 22-11-2010 18:08

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