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GordMay 22-11-2010 11:54

Inappropriate Emoticons
 
I think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldn’t permit if overtly expressed in words.

*Ie: :whistling: :rolleyes: :banghead: :popcorn: :deadhorsebeat:

ReMetau 22-11-2010 12:01

Oh come on, do you really feel that they are that bad? How many times do we hear about beating the dead horse on guns or mono vs. multi?

I could maybe understand if one of the emoticons was a finger, but then I don't upset about such things.

zeehag 22-11-2010 12:02

:rolleyes:
:p
:devil:
:flowers:
:popcorn:

Dave the Canuck 22-11-2010 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564229)
I think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldn’t permit if overtly expressed in words.

*Ie: :whistling: :rolleyes: :banghead: :popcorn: :deadhorsebeat:

Disagree. https://www.cruisersforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

senormechanico 22-11-2010 12:15

PC invades the Cruiser's Forum...<sigh>

David_Old_Jersey 22-11-2010 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564229)
I think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldn’t permit if overtly expressed in words.

*Ie: :whistling: :rolleyes: :banghead: :popcorn: :deadhorsebeat:

https://www.free-smiley.info/generato...from_Gord!.gif

GordMay 22-11-2010 12:25

Politeness may be PC, but it can always stand upon it’s own merits.
Our CF is noted for it’s politeness, amongst other things.

markpierce 22-11-2010 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564229)
I think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldn’t permit if overtly expressed in words.

*Ie: :whistling: :rolleyes: :banghead: :popcorn: :deadhorsebeat:

Gee, those are some of the best ones, and are in the spirit of your avatar.

Dave the Canuck 22-11-2010 12:32

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=GordMay;564249
Our CF is noted for it’s politeness, amongst other things.
It's also noted for spirited banter, debate and the exchange of ideas along with friendly (usually) conversation and support. We're generally unable to convey tone while typing and thus the aptly named emoticons help to clarify the intent of a post.

David_Old_Jersey 22-11-2010 12:37

https://www.free-smiley.info/generato...ers_Forum!.gif

Free Smileys - Free Emoticons - Animated Smileys

I'd prefer some new ones :flowers:

https://rationalia.com/z/090822Nsmiley-love059.gif


https://rationalia.com/z/angrymob.gif

https://rationalia.com/z/pir8.gif

https://rationalia.com/z/pirates.gif

https://rationalia.com/z/nahnah.gif

https://rationalia.com/z/gunfight6.gif

https://rationalia.com/z/index.html

hummingway 22-11-2010 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564229)
I think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldn’t permit if overtly expressed in words.

*Ie: :whistling: :rolleyes: :banghead: :popcorn: :deadhorsebeat:

I certainly agree with the spirit of your comment Gord but personally I find most of these useful in a different context. For instance the whistle can imply sly humour or an oops moment. I think they are examples of emoticons that are useful for self deprecation but unfortunate when used as an insult.

GordMay 22-11-2010 12:49

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Originally Posted by Dave the Canuck (Post 564255)
... We're generally unable to convey tone while typing and thus the aptly named emoticons help to clarify the intent of a post.

And what intent does one associate with rolling eyes or whistling, for instance?
In most cases, I'd think the intent would not be allowed, on this Forum, if stated in words.

Blue Stocking 22-11-2010 12:51

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Originally Posted by hummingway (Post 564260)
I certainly agree with the spirit of your comment Gord but personally I find most of these useful in a different context. For instance the whistle can imply sly humour or an oops moment. I think they are examples of emoticons that are useful for self deprecation but unfortunate when used as an insult.

Well put :thumb:

Dave the Canuck 22-11-2010 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564268)
And what intent does one associate with rolling eyes or whistling, for instance?
In most cases, I'd think the intent would not be allowed, on this Forum, if stated in words.

It's all about context. The emoticons aid in conveying intent. If an individual were to use them in a degrading or insulting manner, I'd expect the Mods to act appropriately. That's what they're here for.

TaoJones 22-11-2010 13:10

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Originally Posted by Dave the Canuck (Post 564273)
It's all about context. The emoticons aid in conveying intent. If an individual were to use them in a degrading or insulting manner, I'd expect the Mods to act appropriately. That's what they're here for.

Well, that's one of the things we're here for, Dave. And it's impossible for us to read every single word of every post or to gauge the intent behind every use of an emoticon, so we rely a great deal on members using the Report Post icon https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ons/report.gif to bring potential problems to our attention.

Carry on . . . ;)

TaoJones

Dave the Canuck 22-11-2010 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaoJones (Post 564275)
Well, that's one of the things we're here for, Dave. And it's impossible for us to read every single word of every post or to gauge the intent behind every use of an emoticon, so we rely a great deal on members using the Report Post icon https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ons/report.gif to bring potential problems to our attention.

Carry on . . . ;)

TaoJones

Sorry Tao. Didn't mean to diminish the role.
BTW, I suspect that this:popcorn:is the one that you really wanted to use.

Bash 22-11-2010 13:34

GordMay's point that the emoticons can be used to insult is well taken. For some members the emoticons have become a mechanism to act out passive-aggressive behavior. This is typical in communities, especially families, where the honest expression of feelings is forbidden. For example, children in a family of alcoholic parents will often learn passive-aggressive behaviors, such as malicious compliance, in order to mask vindictive intent.

The careful observer will certainly see the same thing happening here on the forum. The emoticon becomes an acceptable way to gesture with the middle finger while technically not violating the be-nice rule. The rule is being complied with, and yet the compliance is malicious in terms of its intent. Happily, we only have a few members who misuse the emoticons this way. Sadly, one of those members has one of our highest posting-per-day rates.

I'm not certain that banning potentially insulting emoticons will solve the problem of malicious compliance with the be-nice rule. In place of the emoticons we'll end up with such abbreviations as LMFAO, or FFS, which often are employed at the service of the same sort of malicious intent. Honestly, I'd rather see the less articulate among us resort to the head-banger emoticon than mask their cursing via abbreviations.

boatman61 22-11-2010 13:55

Emoticons like words can be interperted two ways... positive or negative... if one takes them seriously...
Guess its all down to the mental outlook/approach one views life....
Personally there's not one Emoticon here I find offensive... and lets face it... if someones not got the nerve to put something they feel/want to say into words... in a post or a pm.... are they really worth listening to...
Dunno about other folks but I took up biking/sailing to get away from folks telling me what I can and cannot do... and to be honest... if I go out of line in your opinion MOD's... then follow your normal routine and PM me... again:rolleyes:

You guys poll on all sortsa other things... lets put this to a multiple choice vote.. sure our clever MOD's can tag one onto here...:thumb:

bljones 22-11-2010 14:17

If emoticons get under your skin... maybe the problem isn't the emoticon.

perchance 22-11-2010 14:18

Aren't emoticons part and parcel of the whole freedom speech thing?

GordMay 22-11-2010 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by perchance (Post 564326)
Aren't emoticons part and parcel of the whole freedom speech thing?

Excerpted from our Forum RULES:
Here ➥ https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ork&page=rules

“... Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully ...
... We take the "be nice" rule VERY seriously! We do not tolerate ANY rudeness ...
... About the First Amendment, censorship and your "right to free speech":
You do indeed have an absolute right to free speech. However this forum is privately owned and requires members to abide by our rules and by the decisions of our staff. If you cannot accept these guidelines we encourage you to contact one of the many good web hosting companies out there to exercise that right to your heart's content ...”

Irie 22-11-2010 14:32

Emoticon users usually get a laugh out of me because they usually emphasize a point with humor.:popcorn:

David_Old_Jersey 22-11-2010 14:33

I love everyone on CF.com.

And I include the odd nit-pickers. and those humourlessly challenged.

Yeah, I love everyone. and I don't need emoticons to say that. me being in touch with my inner play nice child and everything.

Weyalan 22-11-2010 14:39

I'm actually with Gord on this one. Their removal would actually force people to actually type the emotion that they are trying to display with an emoticon, and then they would have to take responsibility for what they type rather than being able to shrug it off, with a "it's just an emoticon... sheesh" type response.

markpierce 22-11-2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey (Post 564337)
Yeah, I love everyone. and I don't need emoticons to say that. me being in touch with my inner play nice child and everything.

https://www.sparkimg.com/emoticons/date.gif

avb3 22-11-2010 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564229)
I think that all of the smart-ass & insulting emoticons* should be removed from the forum. They all convey ideas & attitudes that we wouldn’t permit if overtly expressed in words.

Whoa! I thought you were kidding, but reading your other responses I have come to the realization you are serious.

What is the emoticon for "lighten up already"?

Although there are some serious discussion on this board, fellowship is a huge part of it also, and humor is part of good fellowship.

Let 'em stay :)

hummingway 22-11-2010 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey (Post 564337)
I love everyone on CF.com.

And I include the odd nit-pickers. and those humourlessly challenged.

Yeah, I love everyone. and I don't need emoticons to say that. me being in touch with my inner play nice child and everything.

:thumb: What it lacked in emoticons it made for with proper spelling of a word that may not exist.

foggysail 22-11-2010 14:47

My take is that it comes down to whose "goat is being gored!" I had posts edited for PC while others in the same thread took it upon themselves to express their selfrighteous indignation at my expense with zero interferences from moderators.

There is enough PC surrounding us every day without this site becoming an advocate to implement more. Just my humble thoughts!

Foggy

bljones 22-11-2010 14:50

If we're going to ditch offensive emoticons, then I think we should ditch offensive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark or combination of either is more than sufficient to make one's point, thank you. And do not even get me started on quotation marks and the unbiquitous interchangeability with apostrophes, and the confusion when someone types ' instead of ". Maybe there really is someone out there looking for a 60 inch liveaboard, but I doubt it.

Oh, and capital letters should be banned. Yelling is not nice and hurts my feelings.

Let's ban all modern abbreviations and textspeak as well. We wouldn't want those rascally young whippersnappers with them newfangled keyboardy phones to discover this place.

Not one smiley was used in the entire above post. Some may read this and feel it was a lighthearted poke at the issue. Others will feel that it is positively dripping with sarcasm.

That is why emoticons have value.

markpierce 22-11-2010 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by avb3 (Post 564349)
What is the emoticon for "lighten up already"?

https://www.sparkimg.com/emoticons/relax.gif

Weyalan 22-11-2010 14:53

I don't think what Gord is proposing is about Political Correctness (and, for the record, I abhor Political Correctness), I think it is about taking responsibility for what you posts and not being able to take a poke at another poster, with some sort of a a "get out of jail free card" excuse that using an emoticon means there is no come back or responsibility. Personally, I have no problem with being offensive... If I think that a person is being an ******* I will tell them so, bluntly or politely, depending on the degree of assholishness... but I won't hide behind emoticons.

perchance 22-11-2010 14:54

Point taken Gord.

Jim Cate 22-11-2010 14:59

FWIW,
Emoticons...
I've never used one of the things, and couldn't care less if they are removed... but surely we all have better things to worry about than their presence on the CF.

I reckon that folks who want to express unacceptable thoughts or feelings will continue to do so by some means or another.

Cheers,

Jim

GordMay 22-11-2010 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irie (Post 564336)
Emoticon users usually get a laugh out of me because they usually emphasize a point with humor.:popcorn:

What did the emoticon add to your comment? I just don't get it (I seldom do :confused:.

bljones 22-11-2010 15:03

People are offended by emoticons but "assholishness" gets a pass?
That's nuckin' futz.

foggysail 22-11-2010 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by bljones (Post 564373)
People are offended by emoticons but "assholishness" gets a pass?
That's nuckin' futz.


Well, it all depends on if it is said sweetly!

DeepFrz 22-11-2010 15:08

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What did the emoticon add to your comment? I just don't get it (I seldom do .:confused:
Is that an offensive emoticon??? :devil:

I mean really!!!

bljones 22-11-2010 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 564372)
What did the emoticon add to your comment? I just don't get it (I seldom do :confused:.

Gord, this almost sounds like you want to ban anything you don't understand. you don't understand what the emoticon meant. Not understanding made you feel bad, if you felt bad then that emoticon must have been intended to make you feel bad. Therefore it was rude. so you want it gone.

Why not just ask, as you did, "what did that mean?" when it comes up in the future.

bangkaboat 22-11-2010 15:15

:rolleyes:

Weyalan 22-11-2010 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by bljones (Post 564373)
People are offended by emoticons but "assholishness" gets a pass?
That's nuckin' futz.

Use of the word should not, in my opinion, be offensive unless it is specifically directed at somebody. By the same token, the phrase (emoticon) "flogging a dead horse" is not inherently offensive unless you are telling somebody that they are...

And, for the record, I don't think that spoonerising epithets makes them any less profane... ymmv


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