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Janice 05-06-2010 05:44

eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
https://www.eseaclear.com

Check out this website. You can clear in and out of some of the islands by just filling out a form online, when complete you will get a PAN ID you take along to customs. The basic information for boat and crew only has to be entered once and you just add the arrival and departure info for the participating islands (below).

Anguilla" "Aruba" "British Virgin Islands" "Dominica" "Netherlands Antilles" "Saint Kitts and Nevis""Saint Lucia" "Saint Vincent and the Grenadines"

Try it out!

osirissail 05-06-2010 16:47

This system has been around for several years already and to date I have not heard any reports from small recreational cruisers of anybody using it - or - it making any difference in the procedures. It would be nice however, if the officials did actually utilize the system.
- - Two things to note: from the final sentence in the "eSeaclear" webpage "However, it does not replace clearing in and out of Customs.""
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- and then there is Immigration - - which is not even mentioned. The only reports of actual use I have seen had the cruisers having to do all the regular paperwork anyway - with or without "eSearclear." But those reportts are over a year old.
- - Has anybody actually used the sytstem recently? - this year?

Zanshin 06-06-2010 04:27

I saw the poster advertising the system three weeks ago when clearing into the BVI in Spanish Town and asked about it. They stated that they did, indeed, have it implemented. I think it would save entering information in 1 of 3 forms required to clear in.

Janice 06-06-2010 04:56

The customs official here in St Lucia printed out three copies. He said one was for him, one was for immigration, one for myself. I did not fill out any form at all in the office. I was told by the customs officer to spread the word and cruisers were not using it.

I can let all know next week about the process in the Grenadines.

sigmasailor 06-06-2010 05:01

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Originally Posted by Janice (Post 463731)
https://www.eseaclear.com

Check out this website. You can clear in and out of some of the islands by just filling out a form online, when complete you will get a PAN ID you take along to customs. The basic information for boat and crew only has to be entered once and you just add the arrival and departure info for the participating islands (below).

Anguilla" "Aruba" "British Virgin Islands" "Dominica" "Netherlands Antilles" "Saint Kitts and Nevis""Saint Lucia" "Saint Vincent and the Grenadines"

Try it out!

We tried to use the system last March. It only worked (very well) in St. Lucia. It did NOT work in Dominica (they said the system was down) or Bequia (SVG) where they told us they didn't even have the proper PC's or software yet. Unfortunately Antigua, Guadeloupe end Martinique are not even on the list where it is supposed to work. Looking at the (waste) of time filling in all the data in advance I cannot recommend it. As a back-up we had preprinted crew lists which did help us some.
Funny thing is when you try to give some feedback via their website (mail address) all mail is returned as undeliverable (have tried it more than once). For now I have given up.

osirissail 06-06-2010 19:05

The French Islands are not part of the system. They have their own computerized check-in/out which is the best I have encountered so far in the Caribbean. You sit in a store or cafe and use the French computer to enter your information and a printed form spits out. The shop-keeper stamps it and you are done. No money, no fuss, quite nice since they are installing the computers in just about every little dent and harbor (at least in Martinique).

sigmasailor 07-06-2010 00:38

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Originally Posted by osirissail (Post 464568)
The French Islands are not part of the system. They have their own computerized check-in/out which is the best I have encountered so far in the Caribbean. You sit in a store or cafe and use the French computer to enter your information and a printed form spits out. The shop-keeper stamps it and you are done. No money, no fuss, quite nice since they are installing the computers in just about every little dent and harbor (at least in Martinique).

We did like the French system; problem is finding the right spot. We read (Chris Doyle site) about Deshay in Guadeloupe and found the place and cleared in and out without any problem. Martinique was another matter, we did find the (closed) customs office but found no one who could direct us to the correct internet office. When we found it it was closed and we had to leave without even clearing in. Lucky for us the customs and immigration in St. Lucia understood our ordeal when we could not show them clearance documents from Martinique. With an 'oh the French' they happily printed forms using EasyClear and cleared us in and out without any fuss; this was by far our best experience. We did inform Sunsail of the correct restaurant in St. Pierre and hope fellow travelers will find the place without the problems we had.

Zanshin 07-06-2010 02:18

The French island common system also lets you fill in your form once and then use a USB-Stick to upload the form when clearing in/out, all you need to do is change the non-static information. But once you get past the complexities of a French Keyboard and recall that "British Virgin Islands" is "Iles vierge Angleterre" the form is quickly filled. And at least they don't want to know how many outboard engines you have and how many GPS units are aboard (as they do in Antigua)

osirissail 07-06-2010 05:20

It is quite true that the French are still very laisez faire about the whole check-in/out system. Prior to the computers you could spend days trying to find a Customs/Immig official. Now with the D-I-Y computers in local shops/cafe's there is the new problem of finding the shop/cafe and then having said shop/cafe be "open for business." The French tend to be late risers and "long lunch'ers" which really restricts the hours you can get access to the computer. But nobody gets really upset if it takes a day or two to find an available computer.
- - From Fort-de-France south to Marin we stopped at all the "Anses" along the way and saw computers in each little bay. So it is no longer necessary to stop at the major "historical" check-in/out places - but - until Chris Doyle and others get updates in place there really isn't any listing of where the computers are and where they are not. But that's all part of the Adventure of cruising - and of course, the extra stops are justified by needing to restock your French baguette supply.

Janice 07-06-2010 06:11

SigmaSailor - was last March 2009 or 2010?

sigmasailor 07-06-2010 06:44

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Originally Posted by Janice (Post 464780)
SigmaSailor - was last March 2009 or 2010?

Last March was this year (2010).

Have to agree with not minding looking around for C&I on Martinique; they have the best shops with the nicest products we found during our trip.

Allthough we really like the Grenadines we were disappointed by the unprofessional and rude way C&I handled us (maybe I shouldn't have referred to the policy statement in their office after some arguments about tax (I believe it was 200 EC extra for a charter boat) about their supposedly friendly and professional approach towards their customers; heck, I am Dutch and always open my mouth without putting brain in gear first).

osirissail 07-06-2010 13:23

I always love to stop at Bequia - SVG but the officials there are noted for their less than enthusiastic and sometimes down right obnoxious handing of visiting cruisers. There are two separate windows/counters - one for Customs and another for Immigration. After finishing with Customs (they are always first) you have to take the papers to the next window at Immigration. If the official is not there (out for lunch or other personal reason) you have to come back the following day. That gets infuriating when you are trying to continue on down/up island. And even worse it is not consistent, one official will say come back tomorrow and a different official will say - don't worry, I'll give them the paper tomorrow.

Janice 09-06-2010 14:36

Well here we are in Bequia, and eSeaClear worked just fine. Just to reiterate 'MY Experience' - you fill in the information about your boat one time. You fill out the information regarding your crew one time. When you are ready to check into the next island you answer about a dozen questions and you are done. Keep the PAN ID (verification number) and give it to the customs official. Many islands have a separate immigration and customs handed me a copy of my form that they had printed out to give to them.

Something to always keep in mind when cruising, you are a guest in their country. Always start all conversation with a few pleasentries and your experience will be better.

Hud3 12-06-2010 13:03

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Originally Posted by Janice (Post 466344)
...Something to always keep in mind when cruising, you are a guest in their country. Always start all conversation with a few pleasentries and your experience will be better.

Excellent advice, Janice.

In the eastern Caribbean, walking up to the counter and launching right into a statement of what you need or want to accomplish is considered rude, and brands you as a tourist. As Janice says, a few pleasantries and a smile will work wonders.

sobriyah 20-06-2010 07:07

Two or three years ago the FBI and US Homeland Security wanted all the Caribbean cruisers to fill out Advance Passenger Information forms similar to the airlines, even though the vast majority would never visit the US.
Almost all the caribbean governments were bullied into passing the legislation (except Trinidad and the FWI I believe), but the resulting backlash from cruisers and the consequences of losing a valuable industry (as has happened in the USVI), persuaded the Caribbean governments to scrap the scheme, although the legislation is still in place to resurrect it.
Soon after, following more US intervention, eSeaClear was introduced.
Just where do you think all that online data may end-up?

Palarran 27-03-2011 19:40

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
Has anyone tried using eseaclear for Anguilla lately? I had tried it 6 months ago and when I arrived they couldn't find the record. So the last few times I'm just filling out forms with carbon copy paper.

Janice 29-03-2011 11:47

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
I have not tried Anguilla but if yhave a printer and take a copy of your form in to them it may help them locate your record. Did you take the PAN # in with you? That is the record locator. We just cleared into Nevis today with it.

impi 12-04-2012 21:13

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
Wonder if anyone can assist ... In the Caribbean French Islands, is it necessary to clear in and out of each French Island if sailing from one French Island to the next eg. Martinique to The Saintes

Zanshin 13-04-2012 01:36

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
impi - yes, with one exception. When you sail from St. Martin to St. Barths you don't need to clear out of the French side, but you still need to clear into St. Barths. If you return to St. Martin you will need to clear out in Gustavia and then clear in again in St. Martin. The system in St. Barths allows you to store the boat information and crew lists so they don't need to be re-entered, but the other French islands unfortunately don't have that functionality.

osirissail 13-04-2012 05:02

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
As Zanshin says, and it is not at all difficult now that the French Islands have the D-I-Y computers for checking in/out just about everywhere.

From Martinique heading north you can check out from any of several different places from Marin to F-d-F.

At the Iles des Saintes the procedure has finally changed according to Noonsite:
"Clearance is no longer carried out at the Town Hall. Everything is done upstairs at the internet cafe (turn right off the main dock look upstairs on your right). It is called Les Saintes Multiservices. The mooring fees are also paid here.
Last updated March 2012."


So it sounds like they now have the D-I-Y computers there. It is a good idea to go ahead and do the check-in/out as you may have to stop in Dominica for some unexpected reason. And personally, I always stop at Portsmouth, Dominica whenever transiting the area - it is one of the "jewels" of the Caribbean and exploring Fort Shirley on the north shore of the bay is fabulous.

Belize 43 crew 13-07-2012 06:15

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
Some time later....
It appears that Eseaclear is off the air for a revamp;
Does anyone know when it will be back?:confused:

Dreaming Yachtsman 11-05-2013 14:43

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Belize 43 crew (Post 989601)
Some time later....
It appears that Eseaclear is off the air for a revamp;
Does anyone know when it will be back?:confused:

Don't know when it will be back but recent (month ago) experience in Antiqua reveals is isn't quite back yet. They advertise their system to be "fully implemented" (i.e. cover Customs, Immigration, and Port Captain). When I tried to update my information from the previous version from St. Barth's 3 years ago, I had to reregister in the new system. However, I could not get past the screen that asked for a password. It kept saying my password was "weak" but wouldn't tell me why. I even tried one considered strong by U.S. Dept. of Defense computer systems. I gave up trying.

callistov42 14-05-2013 13:46

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
EseaClear has been pulled everywhere except Antigua where it was developed. Has to do with a rights/licensing issue. Also, Zanshin, I keep Callisto on the French side of St Martin and we go to St Barts several times a year and it IS required that you clear out and clear in every time you come and go. It is easy and casual but you will want that piece of paper if there is a problem. With the French "do it yourself" computer system, it couldn't be any easier. St Martin and St Barts have different systems (go figure) but the St Barts system you set up a password and a user ID and just log in and it brings up all your boat info and the last crew info. Really easy and efficient.

Zanshin 16-05-2013 04:02

Re: eSeaClear - Easy Clearing in the Caribbean
 
callisto - using the French computer system you cannot clear out of St. Martin for St. Barths. This is because the drop-down box for the destination does not contain St. Barths; the first time I tried to do this I was at the Capitainerie (the one on the inside at Marigot) and asked if there was something I was doing wrong and they laughed and told me that one cannot; but that I would need to clear in to St. Barths when I arrive there. When returning from St. Barths to St. Martin one does need to clear out of St. Barths and clear back into St. Martin.

I've done this trip a good 10 times using this method. Unfortunately, the St. Barths clearance system requires that the password has a mix of upper and lowercase and at least one special character and at least one digit. I forgot my code once and then it became difficult, it took me about 45 minutes to get the port captain to reassign my boat another password... but it is true that the system is fast when it works.

To the main topic - I've cleared into/out of Antigua 3 times in the past 2 months and the new eSeaClear system is truly fast. I need less than a minute to login and click on the windows for a clearance, then write down my confirmation number and present it to the immigration officer, who then prints out the 8 pages for me to date and sign and thus immensely speeds up the clearance process.


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