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yankee28 01-06-2010 14:14

Florida Keys - Uninhabited Cays
 
Hi all,

I was wondering if someone could recommend any uninhabited cays in Florida. Alternatively, is there a reliable way to find out which islands are private and which are not?

I was originally hoping to go to Bimini, but then we decided that it is too far away for the time we have and for the experience.

Basically, my main criteria are:

1. that it has to be either uninhabited or close to being so.. I have a dog and I really prefer to have her off leash

2. i will be starting off from а Key Biscayne, so I need something relatively close to this place. we will have our boat on a trailer, so it can be a different place, but close to Miami, since we will be driving from DC and we do not want to drive forever

3. white sand and green water is preferable

Forgot to mention:) we just got a new 23 foot boat, which has a swing keel, therefore we can go pretty much anywhere.


Thank you.

yankee28 01-06-2010 14:17

uninhabited KEYS not CAYS :)

Chief Engineer 01-06-2010 14:26

Nobody wants your dog off leash especially the wildlife.

Surveyor 01-06-2010 14:33

Cayo Costa near Ft Myers is uninhabited but its a state park so the dog will need to be leashed unless its well behaved.

Other than that, all the spoil islands in the ICW are uninhabited, except a very few. Lots of UH'd islands in the keys but your gonna get your @ss ate up my mosquitos, noseums and biting flies.

keyspc 01-06-2010 14:49

you should have been here yesterday. No really, what the sanctuary doesn’t own park service does.
Any reachable by stolen dinghy are inhabited by "Piralects" not misspelled, drunken bums that think their pirates!

cal40john 01-06-2010 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee28 (Post 461694)
uninhabited KEYS not CAYS :)

Unless there is some local usage that is different that I'm unaware of, I had always been instructed that the terms were interchangeable.

This wiki is under the same delusion.

Cay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


American Heritage dictionary seems to think so also.

cay (khttps://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif, khttps://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif)
A small, low island composed largely of coral or sand. Also called key.

tsampsel 01-06-2010 17:01

Tomato, tomato. Wait they're spelled the same. I'm just pronouncing it differently. Never mind...:whistling:

Chief Engineer 01-06-2010 18:08

If you are in America you are in the Keys

Chief Engineer 01-06-2010 18:08

At least that what it says in my Conch Republic passport.

capt_douglas 01-06-2010 18:20

I'd think any Keys oceanside are probably either state park or occupied. I know of a dozen or so Gulf side that are uninhabited at least during the week. The problem with cruising the Gulf close to the keys is the shallow water. There are also a few barrier islands on the eastern side of the Hawk Channel but they get real popular on the weekends.

DaveOnCudjoe 01-06-2010 18:34

Your not going to find what you want here. What few sandy spots will be very shoal, the others will be mostly mangrove with little access. On top of that it's the Fl Keys National Marine Sanctuary with lots of rules. My only suggestion would be travel down the ICW to Key Largo, go under the new Jewfish Creek bridge and hang out in Fl Bay. Just look around, the off limit islands are posted. Get Waterproof Charts #33E. Dave

Chief Engineer 01-06-2010 19:21

You are right....there are really few beaches.....and the mangrove keys aren't much more than mangroves.

And with the Pythons in the Northern Keys......I wouldn't let Spanky or Fluffy run around loose.

capt_douglas 02-06-2010 07:01

It's not the Pythons that bother me - it's the Keys mosquitoes! Those suckers come out around sunset and unless you've got your shields raised, er, screens in, you'll be slap-happy long after they've feasted.

yankee28 02-06-2010 07:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surveyor (Post 461707)
Cayo Costa near Ft Myers is uninhabited but its a state park so the dog will need to be leashed unless its well behaved.

Other than that, all the spoil islands in the ICW are uninhabited, except a very few. Lots of UH'd islands in the keys but your gonna get your @ss ate up my mosquito, noseums and biting flies.

thank you very much! I just checked it and it seems very close to the land:)

is it possible to use OFF or similar products to keep mosquito,noseums and biting flies away?

yankee28 02-06-2010 07:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by cal40john (Post 461766)
Unless there is some local usage that is different that I'm unaware of, I had always been instructed that the terms were interchangeable.

This wiki is under the same delusion.

Cay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


American Heritage dictionary seems to think so also.

cay (khttps://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif, khttps://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/amacr.gif)
A small, low island composed largely of coral or sand. Also called key.

good to know :)

yankee28 02-06-2010 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_douglas (Post 461830)
I'd think any Keys oceanside are probably either state park or occupied. I know of a dozen or so Gulf side that are uninhabited at least during the week. The problem with cruising the Gulf close to the keys is the shallow water. There are also a few barrier islands on the eastern side of the Hawk Channel but they get real popular on the weekends.

may I ask you to name some of these islands?
I have a swing keel (1.5 foot), which should allow me to go through shallow waters.

yankee28 02-06-2010 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveOnCudjoe (Post 461834)
Your not going to find what you want here. What few sandy spots will be very shoal, the others will be mostly mangrove with little access. On top of that it's the Fl Keys National Marine Sanctuary with lots of rules. My only suggestion would be travel down the ICW to Key Largo, go under the new Jewfish Creek bridge and hang out in Fl Bay. Just look around, the off limit islands are posted. Get Waterproof Charts #33E. Dave

which ones are shoal? as I mentioned above I should be able to go through shallow waters

gonesail 02-06-2010 08:04

there are some keys on the gulf side near big spanish channel and beyond where you can anchor near and possibly explore with a dinghy. but these are a long way from key biscayne.

yankee28 02-06-2010 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonesail (Post 462069)
there are some keys on the gulf side near big spanish channel and beyond where you can anchor near and possibly explore with a dinghy. but these are a long way from key biscayne.

I do not necessarily have to start off from key biscayne, I just don't want to drive too far. So, the gulf side is fine too. DO you recall any names?

svHyLyte 02-06-2010 10:29

It might be wise for you to examine some charts of the areas you are interested in, then examine them on Google Earth which will allow you to view park areas and what areas are open to visits and then check the park regulations.

Start with Office of Coast Survey . One can download Google Earth and Florida Parks and Park Regulations can be found at Welcome to Florida State Parks . Few of the privately owned Keys (or Cays if you prefer) will allow visitors and none without prior permission. You might also take a look at Florida Keys Map.

Frankly, if I were you, I'd drive over to Pine Island and sail across Pine Island Sound to Pelican Cove and try the camping on Cayo Costa. Come prepared, however, with plenty of water and insect repellant. This isn't the time of year one typically goes camping in Florida.

FWIW...

yankee28 02-06-2010 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by svHyLyte (Post 462133)
It might be wise for you to examine some charts of the areas you are interested in, then examine them on Google Earth which will allow you to view park areas and what areas are open to visits and then check the park regulations.

Start with Office of Coast Survey . One can download Google Earth and Florida Parks and Park Regulations can be found at Welcome to Florida State Parks . Few of the privately owned Keys (or Cays if you prefer) will allow visitors and none without prior permission. You might also take a look at Florida Keys Map.

Frankly, if I were you, I'd drive over to Pine Island and sail across Pine Island Sound to Pelican Cove and try the camping on Cayo Costa. Come prepared, however, with plenty of water and insect repellant. This isn't the time of year one typically goes camping in Florida.

FWIW...

what is the best time for such activity in Florida? I was originally trying to make it to Bahamas, that's why I chose June.. but I can postpone it to catch the best time. Moreover, I am still concerned about the oil spill.

Dockhead 02-06-2010 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsampsel (Post 461793)
Tomato, tomato. Wait they're spelled the same. I'm just pronouncing it differently. Never mind...:whistling:

In this case, they're pronounced exactly the same. Just spelled differently. Undoubtedly "key" originated by mispelling "cay", spelling it like it sounds.

And incidentally, pronounced exactly the same as one other nautical term -- "quay".

Steve W 02-06-2010 13:42

Make sure you have fine-mesh screens for all your hatches, ports and the companionway. The no-seeums and mosquitos will feast on your hide if you tie up in a marina or close to land in the Keys in the summer. Besides the screens and the jungle-duty bug spray, the thing that really helped most was the Admiral remembering to take our rechargeable bug zapper. Really helped clean out the no-seeums and the mosquitos trapped inside the cabin at night. Living in Florida, we are used to dealing with these guys, but never encountered any this agressive. Someone here may be able to tell you how far to anchor out to avoid them.

97fxdwg 02-06-2010 13:52

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Originally Posted by Dockhead (Post 462153)
In this case, they're pronounced exactly the same. Just spelled differently. Undoubtedly "key" originated by mispelling "cay", spelling it like it sounds.

And incidentally, pronounced exactly the same as one other nautical term -- "quay".

No kidding?? I always pronounced it with the q sounding like a q, not a k. The things you learn here. HEYYYYYYY, my old bosun's mate taught me quay as in quack. Are you sure??????

Pau Hana Daz 02-06-2010 15:06

As far as I know, quay is properly pronounced like key. I have heard kway and kay (although I don't believe they're correct).

FSMike 02-06-2010 15:18

I believe DWJ is correct. Kway is apparently an Americanization of the original due to pronouncing it like it's spelled.

Sorry 'bout the thread hijack, Yankee.

Panama Dave 06-06-2010 06:11

If you want to be free to let your dog off leash leave the US. We passed through Florida on the way to the Bahamas and it was the most dog (and boater) unfriendly place we've been. We just got back from the NW Caribbean and no one there cares if your dog is off leash. This is assuming your dog is well behaved of course. Our dog never chases wildlife and lays under the table quietly when we got to restaurants. In Marina Paraiso, Isla Mujeres, we were told no leashes were allowed. If our dog could not behave off leash she was not welcome. In Mexico no one leashes their dogs. The locals are spooked by dogs on leashes because they assume the dog is mean if you have to leash it.
BTW, If you are really worked up over the spelling of Cay, Key, or whatever, it's time to turn off the computer and go sailing. Find an iland sumwer and chill owt.

yankee28 06-06-2010 06:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panama Dave (Post 464196)
If you want to be free to let your dog off leash leave the US. We passed through Florida on the way to the Bahamas and it was the most dog (and boater) unfriendly place we've been. We just got back from the NW Caribbean and no one there cares if your dog is off leash. This is assuming your dog is well behaved of course. Our dog never chases wildlife and lays under the table quietly when we got to restaurants. In Marina Paraiso, Isla Mujeres, we were told no leashes were allowed. If our dog could not behave off leash she was not welcome. In Mexico no one leashes their dogs. The locals are spooked by dogs on leashes because they assume the dog is mean if you have to leash it.
BTW, If you are really worked up over the spelling of Cay, Key, or whatever, it's time to turn off the computer and go sailing. Find an iland sumwer and chill owt.

Thanks for such a positive message!:)

I have to clarify though my first message about my dogs - they are very well behaved, they never chase anyone and they behave very well under voice control. So, I am generally fine with them being on leash. It's just really hard to keep both of them on leash, to keep an eye on my 3-yr old and to enjoy a beach. They like to swim and they like to play, so I was looking for a place where they can freely swim with us, so we all can enjoy the vacation.

svHyLyte 06-06-2010 07:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by yankee28 (Post 462135)
what is the best time for such activity in Florida? I was originally trying to make it to Bahamas, that's why I chose June.. but I can postpone it to catch the best time. Moreover, I am still concerned about the oil spill.

Frankly, late May to the first week in June is probably the best time of year for Florida. The water is warm and the insects haven't become rampent. There are a few off-lying keys in the vacinity of Big Spanish Key (northeast of Key West) to explore but the Keys are usually also infested with no-see-ums which emerge at sun set and will drive you and your animals to distraction. The off-laying keys at Pine Island Sound (e.g. Cayo Costa) are probably more "user friendly" but will not allow "free range" dogs. Check the parks regulations previously noted.

FWIW...


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