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Looking Glass 31-03-2011 14:56

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by pjosip (Post 656900)
Have you considered that you are better acquainted with Greece and know the shortcuts and ways around?

I am asking you this because I heard people saying that difference in prices is not that much obvious.

Hello :)

I do quite often charter in Croatia and enjoy it very much. I also charter in Greece on regular basis. Each year me and my friends do two charters in two of three countries: Croatia, Greece and Turkey.
For us the Croatia is most expensive of the three and Greece the cheapest. Of course the differences are not very big. Difficult to tell exactly as every charter is different. It can be 20 % probably for all the costs. But we like Croatia very much and still go there. I think the difference is because of big popularity of Croatia in Germany and east European countries. Lot of people coming, so the prices are higher.
For me the real difference is Greece and even Turkey are bigger, with longer coast. After some years we know all the Croatia shore and have a lot to explore in Greece and Turkey. So probably we will be visiting Croatia less in next years, but it is not because of prices only :)

hejapofa 06-04-2011 07:45

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
Our charter experience has been Greece, Turkey and BVI.
Greek Ionian, generally softer winds, very crowded in the summer. Lovely anchorages. Small town harbours very cheap and very beautiful. North of Lefkas Canal less crowded than South unless you sail south of Cephalonia where charters are rarely seen. Restaurants can be a bit "tourist greek" but then that's what you are a tourist like me. Meal for two always seemed to cost 60 euros. Provisioning in small towns can be expensive. Nice villages and countryside.
Greek Peloponese, unless the Meltemi catches you it can be a nice sailing wind. Many fewer boats. Some brilliant destinations. The Argolic Gulf is a good week's sailing and you can come round to Ermioni and up to Epidavros on a second week. Most harbours low cost but Ports of Entry can be pricey e.g. Napflio
Turkey, you didn't ask, but I love it. The Aegean (Tugretreis and North) great wind, lovely anchorages which generally have a single restauraunt and a pontoon. Eat at the restaurant and mooring comes free sometimes including water and power.
Check out Rod Heikel "Greek Waters Pilot" for more inf on Greece.
Italy we have never done - yet.

swagman 14-04-2011 10:28

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by danedee (Post 427181)
I have a free plane ticket anywhere in the world, one way. That doesn't expire...(well, its more complicated than that... but basically that's what it is)

To take advantage of this, my wife and i want to go sailing... we've done BVI and st vincent and the grenadines, and we're thinking a week in greece or italy or croatia would be PERFECT.

We're looking for delicious FOOD, we're looking for warm water, and light but steady breezes, and places (villages/towns/cities) that we can explore just as much as we sail.

We're kindof leaning towards greece, but then we have to choose between the ionians and the ageans.... i know next to nothing about any of the places we're considering, (besides what the glossy brochures lure me with) so i'm hoping some good folks from here, who've been there, can give me some pros, some con's and some recommendations on 'what not to miss' if i go to where they recommend.

TIA!

~pilotguy

Go with Greece then.
IMHO for one week charter fly into Anthens, charter out of Poros which is not so far to get to by ferry, and do a circuit to see you visit Agina, Hydra, Epidavos and any other ports on that route.
You'll find enough islands to always find a sheltered cove if the winds do get up - and even if they don't at least a place to stop for lunch each day. Plus multiple no or low cost harbours to tie up at night with plenty of shore side bars and restaurants to enjoy. Plus plenty culturally to see ashore on the Peloponese if you choose to get off the boat.
Next time do Croatia. Then next time after do Venice from Croatia!
Enjoy - all of them are IMHO better than BVI''s etc.
JOHN

pjosip 17-04-2011 01:23

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
Well, I just got back from a 10-day trip from Croatia to Korfu (Greece).

I don't know where you've been but we've been charged 78 euros for a night in marina in Kontokali for a Beneteau Cyclades 50 (we are talking about early April).
The poor dinner at "Andreas" restaurant with 3 palm size fishes and his "you must try this" hints for some white sauce costed 110 euros.

The next day we found another restaurant and payed 44 euros for a more decent launch. We ate chicken and there was a nice side dish of vegetables and potatoes. I noticed that waitress spoke very good English and I commented that in front of her. She said she is English and that all the staff is English. (BTW: could someone explain what is it with all English on Korfu?)

So I had to take an English lunch in Greece to get a decent meal that does not cost too much.

yeloya 17-04-2011 02:57

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by DoubleWhisky (Post 656727)


And regarding charter prices (meaning the cost of chartering the boat):
I do personally believe, that the market in Europe is UNDERPRICED and that charters should be more expensive.
The existing level of prices was caused by different issues and not the least important between them was the long term policy of main boat producers to heavily subsidize the sales for charter market. They paid the price of course - one of the biggest went bankrupt in the matter of fact and was taken over for debts - but the market is where it is. At the present prices charter operators work for their margin by decapitalisation of the boats and it is the reason of rather bad maintenance of charter boats thorough the Europe.
So - I would never suggest to keep charter prices low. I think they must increase substantially in time and I think it will be in long term interest of charterers.

Cheers

Tomasz

Dear Tomasz,

I am afraid yr knowledge on chartering market is not very accurate and superficial.. Running one of the larger charter fleet for some year, I can say that most of yr statements are not valid.
The prices are low: prices are determined by the market and you can do very little about. When I am checking the cost of similar boats to mines in Croatia and Greece, I find that they are up to 30-40 % more expensive. However the charter flights to Greece is much more cheaper than they are for Turkey. This year in particular (maybe the collapse of egyptian and Tunisian destinations..) there is a huge demand for Turkey. The air operators took the advantage and are now charging the double of what it was last year. Now if a family wants wants to come from France, Germany, etc. and charter here, they will have to pay only 2.000-2.500 for air ticket.
Same family can fly from anywhere in Europe to Rhodes to half this cost. So, to be competitive I have to adjust my price accordingly.
Croatia is even more advantageous in this respect. Most germans, Italians and Austrians can just drive their in couple of hours..

When it comes to the cost of food, mooring, etc. proper comparison is difficult. There are restaurants here that cost up to 100 per head. There are some others which cost one third with more or less the same food. You should also bear in mind that almost every restaurant has a jetty where you can get free buoys, water and electricity included in the price of the dinner.. This is not the case in Greece, you would hardly find anybody to take yr ropes :banghead:
Moreover, you can hardly find any fish in a greek taverna; the menu is fixed; greek salad, grilled achtapotus, various fried vegetables, sometimes dolmadis (staffed vegetables).. If you find a fish it will be awfully expensive..
Haven't been to Croatia yet. From what I hear, the landscape is owesome. It seems to be a bit more expensive (generally speaking) than Greece and Turkey. I am also told that the wind is either nothing or too much. Turkey and Greece has more steady winds which is a key for me. But everyone has his own taste.. The season also is longer in southern Greece and Turkey. (which is also helping in keepinng the price more reasonable for charterers :))

In short,the comparison must be made apple to apple and can give different result for everyone depending on their priorities.

Cheers

Yeloya

pjosip 17-04-2011 03:23

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by yeloya (Post 668378)
I am also told that the wind is either nothing or too much.


You should know that summers are OK. For 99% of time you have Mistral that never really goes over 20 knots.

It's a pretty predictable and blows almost every day.

Maramu 46 11-05-2011 12:59

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I am Italian but...In Italy on the Adriatic coast you have nothing. On the Tirreno side you have some picks as Capri/ Elba, with Elba having the only decent and not to mention free anchorage. In Greece, the winds at times are a bit rough and the prices in ports, eating out are out of control. If you are planning the trip in late July or August, it's not worth the trouble haggling with the "Sailor" wanna be's. My best suggestion to you is Croatia. Initial sailing permit cost, you have abundant and free anchorage, the winds are almost never overcoming, the food (lamb) is wonderful and inexpensive, you will find many towns with heritage being that many places were Italian or Venetian in origine. Split and Dubronovik are 2 places not to miss. Once there you can make an easy crossing to Italy to maybe Monopoly or Vieste, where you can stay for free and get to see a little of Italy. Stefano

pjosip 11-05-2011 13:53

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by Maramu 46 (Post 684620)
I am Italian but...In Italy on the Adriatic coast you have nothing.

Don't be too modest - Isole Tremiti are nice, Gargano parc is fantastic. A bit north but let's not forget that, Venice is on Adriatic too.

Oyvind 11-05-2011 14:02

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
If you're able to take an early vacation, I'd recommend going in May or early June. You'll be ahead of the main season, so the anchorages and marinas are uncrowded and prices are lower. The temparature is pleasant and not too hot, and the landscape is green and at its most beautiful before it starts drying out in the summer heat.

The official high season in Croatia is between July 1st and August 30th, and everything tourist-related is quite a bit more expensive in this period.

swagman 14-05-2011 06:51

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by pjosip (Post 668369)
Well, I just got back from a 10-day trip from Croatia to Korfu (Greece).

I don't know where you've been but we've been charged 78 euros for a night in marina in Kontokali for a Beneteau Cyclades 50 (we are talking about early April).
The poor dinner at "Andreas" restaurant with 3 palm size fishes and his "you must try this" hints for some white sauce costed 110 euros.

The next day we found another restaurant and payed 44 euros for a more decent launch. We ate chicken and there was a nice side dish of vegetables and potatoes. I noticed that waitress spoke very good English and I commented that in front of her. She said she is English and that all the staff is English. (BTW: could someone explain what is it with all English on Korfu?)

So I had to take an English lunch in Greece to get a decent meal that does not cost too much.

If you are asking why so many Brits visit or have homes in Corfu then the answer is in it's history.

Corfu was controlled by the Venicians for centuries as did a lot of the eastern Med islands. They repused a number of attempted Turkish invasions before falling first to the French (when Nepoleon conquored the Venicians) then to the British following their successful Nepolionic wars with France......

Lots of the local Brit architecture remains today - and they still even play cricket.

But the Brits passed it to the founders of modern Greece way back, and as that new country struggled to resist the overtures of the Ottoman empire, a lot of Brits volunteered and fought on the Greek side.

It's remained a favoured British holiday spot ever since - orginally for the rich and famous - but now for anyone who can sail in or simply afford the airfare.

I love the place.

JOHN

pjosip 15-05-2011 03:14

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by swagman (Post 686310)
If you are asking why so many Brits visit or have homes in Corfu then the answer is in it's history.

Corfu was controlled by the Venicians for centuries as did a lot of the eastern Med islands. They repused a number of attempted Turkish invasions before falling first to the French (when Nepoleon conquored the Venicians) then to the British following their successful Nepolionic wars with France......

Lots of the local Brit architecture remains today - and they still even play cricket.

But the Brits passed it to the founders of modern Greece way back, and as that new country struggled to resist the overtures of the Ottoman empire, a lot of Brits volunteered and fought on the Greek side.

It's remained a favoured British holiday spot ever since - orginally for the rich and famous - but now for anyone who can sail in or simply afford the airfare.

I love the place.

JOHN


OK, thanks for the info. I also noticed a lot of Brits wandering the streets late night and I realized they feel comfortable there.

And yes, Corfu is very nice.

pillum 15-05-2011 03:31

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
Greece for my two-pennyworth is by far the best, for wind and for friendliness. I read a thread on this forum some time ago and a comment made about how easy and cheap Greek harbours were compared to Italian ones struck me - On asking if it was possible to enter the harbour the Master said "Don't worry about it, you're in Greece now, we have room for EVERYBODY".

No brainer for me, for a week only I'd consider the Sporades, if you have longer then the choice is greater. And don't worry about the Meltemi, I've sailed the Aegean in July and it was similar winds to BVI in April.

Whatever you choose on a freebie do something different.

evd46 02-08-2011 07:52

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by danedee (Post 427237)
Wow, thanks for the quick reply! May I ask who you chartered through and whether you'd use them again? What base they were out of etc? I'm a fan of learning from other peoples experiences. Thx! And looking forward to hearing from other people as well!

Hi,
We rented twice already with the same charter company the same type of boat (Bavaria 40 cruiser) and were happy with the price and the quality of the service. The man is called Christos Plegas and you can rent his boats via Omegasail.com.
He uses two bases: Gouvia (Kerkyra = Corfu) and Lavrio (SE of Athens, on the east coast of the Pelopponesos).
PS: I have no futther connections with that man or company as that of a happy client.
Erik

Connemara 02-08-2011 09:02

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
Just back from a week in Croatia. Can't say anything about Italy or Greece, but we had a fantastic time sailing out of Split, which is (as someone said) a great little city.

Weather was unsettled, but usually sunny and we only had one day without wind, during which we motored from Hvar to Vis. Coming north the next day we had a Force 5 breeze under clear blue skies with those wee puffy clouds.

We did have a few occasions of interest -- 40 knots one night for a couple of hours but we had warning and were on a mooring ball and an anchor-dragging incident at 0500 during a spectacular electrical storm when the wind switched 180 degrees making our lovely sheltered anchorage rather less so.

But no harm to man nor boat in either case.

The islands are stunning and the sailing was usually fine.

Connemara

Sailor208 18-03-2014 18:35

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
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Originally Posted by Tnd (Post 650499)
I agree that one week is too short to visit Greece from Montenegro, but for Croatia-it's not. It's pretty close. I really can't agree that Greece is much more beautiful than Croatia,no it's not, at all. That's maybe because i'm from Croatia, but that is my opinion. Whatever you decide, it's obvious that one week is too short to see everything. Best solution would be that each summer you visit one country ;)

Hello, we always allow enough time in our charters to get to know the country we are visiting. Several people have mentioned the costs and difficulty in finding moorings. So, we are coming in September. Will there be less boats in September? Can you suggest anchoring or are the quays worth the price? Any suggestions would help us.

SailBeat 11-11-2014 04:44

Re: Charter Vacation - Italy vs Greece vs Croatia - Pros and Cons ?
 
It will be busy in September. Quays etc will be expensive and will be very crowded. You'll need to get in early to get yourself a spot. Anchoring will be free-of course-but you'll have to plan your trip accordingly-wether etc.

Here's a quick guide to Croatia so you can get a better idea:

Yacht Charter Croatia | Sailing Holidays Croatia


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