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HeinSdL 30-04-2021 09:33

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Originally Posted by boatman61 (Post 3397817)
And who's agenda are these and Libya the result of.???

Regrettably for us from the 'civilized' world, it is very much our agenda. Now as well as over the last 500 years or so.

valhalla360 30-04-2021 09:49

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Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari (Post 3397958)
they have had a fair bit of time to fix things...

No. Actually they CAUSED much of the current conflicts, in Africa for example by drawing borders in disregard of local tribal political alliances. The British in Persian Gulf: Ever wonder why Kuwait, a tiny country, has so much coastline while Iraq, a much larger country, does not?


Coffee and qahwa: How a drink for Arab mystics went global

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22190802

Arabs are simply people who speak Arabic, from many countries, cultures, colors and "races" and they're not even really representative of Muslims (the largest Muslim country on Earth is neither Arab nor Mideastern) Many M8deasterners arent Arab etc etc

While you're at it, look up candy, tulips, Seersucker, mint julep, ice cream, pajamas, spinnach...

So coffee was imported from Ethiopia and became a cultural part of Arabia (as it became a cultural part of Europe shortly after).

But Rome spreading Christianity and you take issue with it being part of European culture?

Cyrus Safdari 30-04-2021 11:13

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Sudan is a member of the Arab League

It is quite funny that one thinks Rome represents Christianity. I suggest reading up on the history of the religion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East...%93West_Schism

valhalla360 30-04-2021 11:39

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Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari (Post 3398060)
Sudan is a member of the Arab League

It is quite funny that one thinks Rome represents Christianity. I suggest reading up on the history of the religion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East...%93West_Schism

Funny how you mention learning history and then post a link that undermines you argument.

The Schism occurred some 700-800yrs after Rome made Christianity the dominant religion in Europe among other places. It was a small Jewish sect before Rome. It then spread back to the Middle East under Constantine's approval of it.

But we are getting a bit far afield of the thread's subject.

chavodelocho 30-04-2021 13:36

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IMHO,they are People dying,no matter what we think.In fact,I want to create a Flotilla with as many boats as possible.No matter what nationality,size or whatever ideology we have.Send me a whatsapp (+34677188427).

Joh.Ghurt 30-04-2021 14:25

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Gonzalo, where should this flotilla be and what should they do?

chavodelocho 30-04-2021 15:04

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Libyan SARS.Just watch and Inform BIG NGOs boats.May be bring NGOs supplies...

Tillikum 30-04-2021 22:11

Re: Refugees at Sea
 
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Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari (Post 3397958)
they have had a fair bit of time to fix things...

No. Actually they CAUSED much of the current conflicts, in Africa for example by drawing borders in disregard of local tribal political alliances. The British in Persian Gulf: Ever wonder why Kuwait, a tiny country, has so much coastline while Iraq, a much larger country, does not?


Coffee and qahwa: How a drink for Arab mystics went global

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22190802

Arabs are simply people who speak Arabic, from many countries, cultures, colors and "races" and they're not even really representative of Muslims (the largest Muslim country on Earth is neither Arab nor Mideastern) Many M8deasterners arent Arab etc etc

While you're at it, look up candy, tulips, Seersucker, mint julep, ice cream, pajamas, spinnach...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvvvomANbRo

Rohan 30-04-2021 22:37

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Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 3397727)
As the rescue boats idle in Italian ports, refugees stranded at sea are dying as they attempt to reach safe harbour. So far this year, almost 9,000 people have crossed to Italy, with almost 1,000 dying during their attempts, according to the UNHCR, the UN refugee agency.

As if there was nothing these refugees could do to avoid drowning at sea? Like not getting into the rafts in the first place???

Rohan 30-04-2021 22:42

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Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari (Post 3397740)
Rates of population growth worldwide are generally falling but that's not the problem.

That's deceptive. Yes, the rate of population growth is falling, however, that's like saying a car is still accelerating, its just not accelerating as much as before. But that means the car is still picking up speed. Similarly, the population of third world nations are still growing by leaps and bounds.

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The average First World resident consumes far more resources and produces far more pollution than the many more Third World residents.
Then that's a very powerful argument for not transporting so many people from the third world to the first world.

Rohan 30-04-2021 22:54

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Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari (Post 3397755)
Well, in fact:

The Kingdom is home to an estimated 250,000500,000 Rohingya, 300,000400,000 Palestinians and 750,0001,000,000 Syrians.

Look closer at those numbers. The vast majority of those aren't immigrants or refugees, and they aren't there out of Saudi Arabia's generosity. They are guest workers, who are only allowed to stay for a fixed period of time to work, and cannot bring their families. There is no path to residency or citizenship for them, and are often treated little better than slave labor.


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Like previously noted almost all refugees are returned back.
Source? Per this article, about 70% of asylum claims are rejected, but only a third of those rejected are actually deported.

https://news.trust.org/item/20210210124835-m7yt8/

Joh.Ghurt 01-05-2021 05:16

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Originally Posted by chavodelocho (Post 3398224)
Libyan SARS.Just watch and Inform BIG NGOs boats.May be bring NGOs supplies...

Interesting concept. Are you saying those NGO go to sea with insufficient supplies? I'm certain a 35 ft sailboat will help big time.

Joh.Ghurt 01-05-2021 05:18

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Originally Posted by Rohan (Post 3398456)
As if there was nothing these refugees could do to avoid drowning at sea? Like not getting into the rafts in the first place???

This suggestion isn't permissible as it would ruin the business-model of a whole industry along the North-African and Middle-Eastern coast. How dare you!

GordMay 01-05-2021 05:53

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Originally Posted by Rohan (Post 3398463)
Look closer at those numbers. The vast majority of those aren't immigrants or refugees, and they aren't there out of Saudi Arabia's generosity. They are guest workers, who are only allowed to stay for a fixed period of time to work, and cannot bring their families. There is no path to residency or citizenship for them, and are often treated little better than slave labor.
Source? Per this article, about 70% of asylum claims are rejected, but only a third of those rejected are actually deported.
https://news.trust.org/item/20210210124835-m7yt8/

Indeed.

Enforcement of immigration legislation statistics ~ Eurostat
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...ion_statistics

chavodelocho 01-05-2021 05:54

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Im saying that they can stay longer at sea if Some boats bring them supplies.


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