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DumnMad 09-05-2021 13:46

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Around 10 million die in India each year. In perspective India may not be as bad as the they are trumpeting.

The Lancet and other medical journals are the advertising arm of the medicine industry and choose fear to encourage more doctor visits.

I wish they would focus on the co-morbidities that have exacerbated the effects of this diease and tell us more about who really should be self isolating and who can get on with keeping alive our essential services.

Group9 12-05-2021 09:07

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Originally Posted by DumnMad (Post 3403908)
Around 10 million die in India each year. In perspective India may not be as bad as the they are trumpeting.

The Lancet and other medical journals are the advertising arm of the medicine industry and choose fear to encourage more doctor visits.

I wish they would focus on the co-morbidities that have exacerbated the effects of this diease and tell us more about who really should be self isolating and who can get on with keeping alive our essential services.

Well, this certainly didn't help. An Indian actor and Public Health Ambassador took the vaccine to demonstrate it's safety. And, died 24 hours later.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/82111036.cms

And, of course, as always, it was not related to his taking the vaccine.

DumnMad 12-05-2021 14:14

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228,000 children killed by covid disruptions. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56425115

Lockdowns of rest homes might be effective but not for a whole country like India. Medical professession panic has had murderous side effects.

Dockhead 12-05-2021 14:51

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Originally Posted by DumnMad (Post 3406003)
228,000 children killed by covid disruptions. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56425115. . .


Just in South Asia.

roverhi 12-05-2021 15:06

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From a casual perusal of the San Diego Covid Statistics from the beginning of the panic, If you are over 70 better get vaccinated or hibernate. Average age for fatal infection is something like 77. Also helps not to be male as we represent 1/3 more deaths despite females having a higher rate of infection.

In poorer countries sequestering the elderly is a non starter. Except for the relatively small middle and upper classes families live together so all ages are intermingled in a household. They don't/can't ship their elderly off to care facilities or hide them away from risk of infection. That is probably the reason for the high death rate in countries like India.

Seems like almost all the deaths are people with a co-morbidity regardless of age. Since those over 60 are overwhelmingly those who die, does that make age a co-morbidity??

Alan Mighty 12-05-2021 16:25

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Nauru, an equatorial micro-state in the Pacific, reports that it has delivered a first dose of vaccine against Covid-19 to each adult on the island.

The count of adults was 7,392. Calculated to be 108% of the estimated population (includes some aliens and excludes nationals living elsewhere; the usual estimate for the total Nauru population, including children, is around 10K).

See: https://taipeitimes.com/News/world/a.../13/2003757338

GordMay 13-05-2021 05:14

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"It is critical to have an empowered WHO," panel co-chair, and former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark, told reporters, on the launch of the report "COVID-19: Make it the Last Pandemic".

Co-chair Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, a former president of Liberia, said: "We are calling for a new surveillance and alert system that is based on transparency and allows WHO to publish information immediately."

The co-chairs were tapped by WHO, last year, to examine the UN agency's response to COVID-19, after bowing to a request from member countries.

The independent experts, in a major report on the handling of the pandemic, called for bold WHO reforms and revitalizing national preparedness plans to prevent another "toxic cocktail."

The report:
“COVID-19: Make it the Last Pandemic” ~ WHO Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response
Summary ➥ https://theindependentpanel.org/wp-c...emic_final.pdf
Full Report ➥ https://theindependentpanel.org/wp-c...emic_final.pdf

About:
“Report of the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response: making COVID-19 the last pandemic” ~ The Lancet
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...lltext?rss=yes

Dockhead 13-05-2021 05:23

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Originally Posted by GordMay (Post 3406303)
"It is critical to have an empowered WHO," panel co-chair, and former New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark, told reporters, on the launch of the report "COVID-19: Make it the Last Pandemic".

Co-chair Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, a former president of Liberia, said: "We are calling for a new surveillance and alert system that is based on transparency and allows WHO to publish information immediately."

The co-chairs were tapped by WHO, last year, to examine the UN agency's response to COVID-19, after bowing to a request from member countries.

The independent experts, in a major report on the handling of the pandemic, called for bold WHO reforms and revitalizing national preparedness plans to prevent another "toxic cocktail."

The report:
“COVID-19: Make it the Last Pandemic” ~ WHO Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response
Summary ➥ https://theindependentpanel.org/wp-c...emic_final.pdf
Full Report ➥ https://theindependentpanel.org/wp-c...emic_final.pdf

About:
“Report of the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response: making COVID-19 the last pandemic” ~ The Lancet
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...lltext?rss=yes


Sounds like a very good idea.


This pandemic has been horrible enough, but it could have been much worse. I guess mankind will be studying this one intensely to come up with a much better plan for how to deal with -- or prevent -- the next one.

Pelagic 13-05-2021 07:03

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Originally Posted by Dockhead (Post 3406312)
Sounds like a very good idea.


This pandemic has been horrible enough, but it could have been much worse. I guess mankind will be studying this one intensely to come up with a much better plan for how to deal with -- or prevent -- the next one.

It appears to me that while the Virus in itself was a horrible event, .......Unfortunate timing made this into the "perfect storm" of distrust and harsh criticism due to the political oportunity it presented.

It became a gift to replace a "winning", yet devisive US president and set the tone early for agressive media reporting and poorly weighted decisions.

GordMay 13-05-2021 11:22

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The COVID-19 pandemic has been one of the biggest tests yet of evidence-based medicine; and has shown that the current system falls short in a fast-moving global emergency, argues a Nature Editorial.
“Evidence-based medicine: how COVID can drive positive change”
The pandemic has spawned too many uninformative clinical trials and reviews. Reform is needed to ensure the world gets the high-quality evidence it needs.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01255-w

Dockhead 13-05-2021 13:06

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Originally Posted by Pelagic (Post 3406358)
It appears to me that while the Virus in itself was a horrible event, .......Unfortunate timing made this into the "perfect storm" of distrust and harsh criticism due to the political oportunity it presented.

It became a gift to replace a "winning", yet devisive US president and set the tone early for agressive media reporting and poorly weighted decisions.


Polarized politics are the enemy of good policy. Polarized politics will drive a nation into the ground. Politicization of the pandemic was the worst possible thing that could have happened. Even facts and truth stop mattering.


Despite all of that, there were a couple of saving graces. One is that in our Constitutional system, the federal government plays only a very small role in dealing with events like this. Policy on this kind of thing is made at the state level. And some states were smarter than others. The state level is where the buck stops.

Pelagic 13-05-2021 13:47

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Case in point Dockhead
My American neighbor just returned to his boat here in Subic this week, fully vaccinated and allowed under his Philippine Retirement Plan.
He has a home in the popular Florida Keys amd during the pandemic the residents wanted to shut down the national road, to tourists .
Federal Government would not allow, State did not want to get involved, so the local Sheriff said "screw that, we're shutting down anyway."
So they had a 127 mile gated community and one COVID death

longjonsilver 28-05-2021 04:05

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You would think that during the worst Pandemic since the 1918 Spanish Flu life insurance companies would be hedging their bets to avoid major losses from Covid-19. I haven’t written a life policy for several years so I was wondering what was going on? I called one of the brokers I deal with that interacts with hundreds of big life insurers to get an inside look into how the Covid crisis has changed their business.

Imagine my surprise when she said it was pretty much business as usual! Last year when the hysteria was just getting ramped up she did say the companies temporarily tightened up underwriting and reduced the amount of coverage they would offer. But as time went by and the hard data came rolling in those same companies went back to business as usual.

I asked her specifically if life insurers wanted a Covid test as part of the underwriting process and she said none that she was aware of. Hmm, that’s pretty interesting isn’t it? The most lethal pandemic in decades descends on the globe with deadly mutations taking millions of innocent lives and the life insurance companies couldn’t care less.

I also asked if the cost per thousand of coverage had increased due to Covid and again she said no. Rates were pretty much the same as they were before the Covid Pandemic ravaged the earth. Life Insurance companies are very risk adverse. They don’t like losing money to unnecessary claims. The fact they’re treating Covid as a nonevent should be an indicator that something is very wrong with the whole narrative.
The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Life Insurance and Covid-19; Something Doesn’t Make Sense


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