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cjenkins 01-02-2021 20:53

Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
I know it's early and things are changing almost daily, but I'm curious what others are thinking about the sailing/cruising situation in the Med for the coming year.

I hope to get back to my boat in Spain sometime in April and resume plans to spend 2021 sailing the eastern Mediterranean. (That was the 2020 plan, obviously out of the question when the pandemic hit.) Do you all think this will be possible? My crew and I will be subject the Schengen rules and I'm wondering how countries will treat people arriving on yachts from other, possibly more COVID-infected, countries. I also need to move the boat out of the EU for VAT purposes and wonder how difficult it may be to re-enter the EU in 2021.

Best case scenario is that the uncertainties, and perhaps the economic situation, result in a relatively uncrowded sailing scene and the chance to visit a lot of places without a lot of other boats present. Mid-case scenario is that everyone can't wait to get back on the water and everyplace is packed. Worst case scenario is that it's difficult or impossible to move between countries and maybe I should just lay the boat up for another year in Spain.

What do you think?

Charlie

Barbaria 03-02-2021 12:16

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
We are currently sailing Europe, and have done so since April 2020.
The rules are changing more or less every 14 days. We are now in Antibes in France and sailing is now allowed between 0600 to 1600. At present anchoring over night is not allowed.

If you are willing to take a PCR/antigen test before sailing, crossing most borders are possible. All harbors we have seen are open and will take on visitors. However you may have problems getting in to the country if you are not a EU citizen. If you get fully vaccinated and have documentation to show it you will probably be better off since EU discussing vaccination passport for the coming tourist season.

We hope that the situation improves closer to summer and we plan to move slowly eastward. Be prepared for ever changing local rules and a lot of bureaucracy.

ausnp84 03-02-2021 12:44

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Could go either way at the moment... my boat’s also stuck in Spain and with a combo of Brexit and C19, the chance of getting to it soon is slim.

Maybe someone else will know this, but would sailing to Gib get you out of the EU VAT area?

N

Dogscout 04-02-2021 07:26

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
I cannot speak to all of the Med countries, but Greece is currently in lockdown and there are no rumors of it opening back up soon. Lockdown means that no recreational boating is allowed without specific permission of the Port Police and from 1 couple I talked to it was difficult to argue for permission to move from Lefkas to Preveza to put their boat up on the hard and return to Sweden to care for a sick relative. Commercial boating is allowed abet people have to quarantine upon entry from outside Greece. I have seen a couple of new boats on delivery on a quarantine dock here. You can sail through Greece without stopping and I know of 1 crew who delivered a boat from France to Turkey without stopping. That was before Christmas and Turkey has new rules for entering now.
The Greek rules are revised or repeated almost weekly now. Its frustrating. They are also still collecting taxes and fees even though we cannot move. You can surrender your documents to the Port Police as out of service to avoid the monthly TEPAI.

It seems that all countries are interpreting and making new rules so I do not think that the situation will be the same in 2 months. Hopefully it will be better.

boatman61 04-02-2021 07:41

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ausnp84 (Post 3335021)
Could go either way at the moment... my boat’s also stuck in Spain and with a combo of Brexit and C19, the chance of getting to it soon is slim.

Maybe someone else will know this, but would sailing to Gib get you out of the EU VAT area?

N

No.. it seems Gib has chosen to stay in the EU with a N Ireland type border for the moment though I heard there were some ructions last week so how long that lasts is to be determined.. difficulties arose when Spain insisted it should police the airport and port areas.
Just checked and for the moment Gib retains it's VAT free status.
Your boat should be okay where it is as it was in the EU on 'Freedom Day'... :biggrin:

https://news.sky.com/story/britain-a...tatus-12176376

valhalla360 04-02-2021 07:57

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
I expect it will hinge on how the vaccine roll out goes. Odds are the EU sorts itself out in the next month or two.

If deaths and hospitalizations drop off to next to nothing, I expect public pressure will force them to open things up pretty quick.

April might be borderline. Even if they get the vaccine supply up within the next month, it will still take time for those to translate into individuals with immunity (it's still 3-4 weeks after the 1st shot before you actually gain significant immunity.

June/July...I think there will be pretty good odds as they will likely have gotten thru the high risk populations and most of them will have had time to develop immunity.

ausnp84 04-02-2021 09:00

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boatman61 (Post 3335486)
No.. it seems Gib has chosen to stay in the EU with a N Ireland type border for the moment though I heard there were some ructions last week so how long that lasts is to be determined.. difficulties arose when Spain insisted it should police the airport and port areas.
Just checked and for the moment Gib retains it's VAT free status.
Your boat should be okay where it is as it was in the EU on 'Freedom Day'... :biggrin:

https://news.sky.com/story/britain-a...tatus-12176376

Haha thanks for the clarification! We’re leaving Plague Island permanently this year anyway and starting to look at Med or Carib options instead....

N

boatman61 04-02-2021 19:55

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ausnp84 (Post 3335523)
Haha thanks for the clarification! We’re leaving Plague Island permanently this year anyway and starting to look at Med or Carib options instead....

N

Get your vaccines and save money on the delivery.. :thumb:

yeloya 05-02-2021 11:36

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogscout (Post 3335478)
You can sail through Greece without stopping and I know of 1 crew who delivered a boat from France to Turkey without stopping. That was before Christmas and Turkey has new rules for entering now.
.

That's correct, Turkey is now requesting a negative PCR test taken 72 hours prior to yr arrival. If not, you are in quarantine for a week in yr boat or in a hotel. The restaurants are not open but some jetty restaurants are serving the food to yr boat because pack services are allowed. You can also take electricity and water from these jetties. Well, it's better not nothing. On top, you don't have to deal with diswashing :thumb:
The marinas, fuel stations are functioning as usual.
The charters are full for late April and May mostly with locals, Russian and Ukranians, the rumours are that pretty soon the ban for restaurants will be lifted, who knows..

Cheers


Yeloya
Yeloya

Dogscout 05-02-2021 12:06

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yeloya (Post 3336331)
That's correct, Turkey is now requesting a negative PCR test taken 72 hours prior to yr arrival. If not, you are in quarantine for a week in yr boat or in a hotel. The restaurants are not open but some jetty restaurants are serving the food to yr boat because pack services are allowed. You can also take electricity and water from these jetties. Well, it's better not nothing. On top, you don't have to deal with diswashing :thumb:
The marinas, fuel stations are functioning as usual.
The charters are full for late April and May mostly with locals, Russian and Ukranians, the rumours are that pretty soon the ban for restaurants will be lifted, who knows..

Cheers


Yeloya
Yeloya

If you need a negative PCR within 72 hours of entering Turkey, and you are transiting through Greece, then that is going to be an interesting accomplishment. Cant enter here, but you need a test taken here to get there.

sailormed 05-02-2021 12:25

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
For the last 11 years I have been participating in the ECC - Engineering Challenge Cup- in the first week of Mai, with around 40-50 boats somewhere in the Med. All boats chartered in the marina of the city, country where the venture takes place.

As expected it was cancelled for 2020. Last week I got the information that 2021 was cancelled as well. Next venue is now planned for 2022.

Just for your information, don’t plan to far ahead!

yeloya 07-02-2021 01:28

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogscout (Post 3336355)
If you need a negative PCR within 72 hours of entering Turkey, and you are transiting through Greece, then that is going to be an interesting accomplishment. Cant enter here, but you need a test taken here to get there.

I know it' stupid, but these are the rules thought for anyone who would come to Turkey by airplane, like there is no other ways to do it.. We had a boat delivered from La Rochelle, the crew didn't stop anywhere for more than 20 days and yet PCR test is required. First, it's not possible to get the test done, second if the crew is not sick already after 20 days of isolation in the sea, the quarantine must have been achieved anyway..

However, we have one service boat to come from Greece. The dutch owner is planning to fly to Greece to pick up his boat (what I understand EC citizens can fly within the Schengen countries) and if he can make the test done there (a big question mark..) and sail 250 nm in less than 72 hours to Marmaris , he can get away with the quarantine.

Tough days for cruisers..

Cheers

Yeloya

Anders 09-02-2021 12:18

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjenkins (Post 3333876)
I hope to get back to my boat in Spain sometime in April and resume plans to spend 2021 sailing the eastern Mediterranean.

I can't imagine that Spain would let any non EU citizen/resident in by April.

ausnp84 09-02-2021 12:22

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anders (Post 3339174)
I can't imagine that Spain would let any non EU citizen/resident in by April.

Yep starting to look like June / July will be earliest non-EU (inc UK) can get back there.

N

cjenkins 09-02-2021 17:15

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Anders and N,

I am currently in Thailand, a relatively COVID-free country, and will be here until my planned travel to Spain. I will visit the Spanish embassy here next week to see whether travelers from Thailand can be admitted. As with everything, things can change, but I am hopeful that travel from Bangkok to Barcelona will be allowed.

ausnp84 10-02-2021 01:40

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjenkins (Post 3339490)
Anders and N,

I am currently in Thailand, a relatively COVID-free country, and will be here until my planned travel to Spain. I will visit the Spanish embassy here next week to see whether travelers from Thailand can be admitted. As with everything, things can change, but I am hopeful that travel from Bangkok to Barcelona will be allowed.

Fingers crossed! My boat’s stuck in Valencia, I’m stuck in the UK with a pallet load of parts for it (which are now subject to EU VAT and duties, courtesy of Brexit), and I can’t get to either it or back to family in Aus.

We can only hope the vax rollout continues at speed and countries get on top of this...

N

arsenelupiga 10-02-2021 04:47

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ausnp84 (Post 3339682)
Fingers crossed! My boat’s stuck in Valencia, I’m stuck in the UK with a pallet load of parts for it (which are now subject to EU VAT and duties, courtesy of Brexit), and I can’t get to either it or back to family in Aus.

We can only hope the vax rollout continues at speed and countries get on top of this...

N

wish things sort out for you, but you need to be prepared for things turning worse, to avoid disappointment.

AS I understand these vaccines do not make you immune. Even if you get that passport, and pass border, locals may become hostile as there is no warranty you are not infected. Best bet is to pretend to be local, if you can.

ausnp84 10-02-2021 06:06

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga (Post 3339712)
wish things sort out for you, but you need to be prepared for things turning worse, to avoid disappointment.

AS I understand these vaccines do not make you immune. Even if you get that passport, and pass border, locals may become hostile as there is no warranty you are not infected. Best bet is to pretend to be local, if you can.

Worse than being locked down on/off at home for the past year?

I managed to make it down to the boat a few times last year and everyone’s pretty practical about it. Wearing of masks and sanitising hands is an absolute (and more strictly enforced than here in the UK), Covid tests prior to travel and temperature checks at Alicante are mandatory, and there was no hint of hostility. If anything, the lass at the airport car rental was happy to chat and the boat yard guys were keen to hear what was going on elsewhere.

As with travel at any time, common sense is key and following local rules and regs important to not cause a fuss.

N

boatman61 10-02-2021 06:27

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ausnp84 (Post 3339742)
Worse than being locked down on/off at home for the past year?

I managed to make it down to the boat a few times last year and everyone’s pretty practical about it. Wearing of masks and sanitising hands is an absolute (and more strictly enforced than here in the UK), Covid tests prior to travel and temperature checks at Alicante are mandatory, and there was no hint of hostility. If anything, the lass at the airport car rental was happy to chat and the boat yard guys were keen to hear what was going on elsewhere.

As with travel at any time, common sense is key and following local rules and regs important to not cause a fuss.

N

Exactly.. Here in Portugal which is being hammered by the UK varients imported over the Christmas break by Brits heading to Lisbon and the Algarve for their hols there is no resentment as far as I have experienced..
Your more likely to get grief over Gibraltar in Spain than Covid. :wink:

Anders 10-02-2021 07:11

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjenkins (Post 3339490)
Anders and N,

I am currently in Thailand, a relatively COVID-free country, and will be here until my planned travel to Spain. I will visit the Spanish embassy here next week to see whether travelers from Thailand can be admitted. As with everything, things can change, but I am hopeful that travel from Bangkok to Barcelona will be allowed.

Most EU countries only allow EU citizens and residents in but Spain is a bit more relaxed and you could be lucky from Thailand.

Barbaria 10-02-2021 09:58

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Here is the list of countries and areas from which a negative diagnostic test for active SARS- CoV-2 infection will be required from passengers before entering Spain.

Valid from 8th of February 2021 to 21th of February 2021.

arsenelupiga 10-02-2021 12:39

Re: Mediterranean 2021 outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ausnp84 (Post 3339742)
Worse than being locked down on/off at home for the past year?



N

Yeah, some people may run out of resources - same pay/support increased food costs. there is hyperinflation creeping in, slowly for now. System loves these lockdowns as serves nice excuse for printing, so i would not pop champagne.


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