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DDabs 08-09-2020 08:24

WARNING- SCAMMER ON FORUMS
 
I posted this in the classifieds section:

Just a warning-

I posted an ad about wanting a used D400 wind generator.

I was messaged by a fellow member:
"churchwilliam"

He said his friend had a D400 and to e-mail him:
"Hey, my good friend Rob want to get rid of his. You can contact him on Robinsonmicheal83@gmail.com for it"

I contacted the seller who sent me detailed photos of the D400. I sent him money via paypal for the unit, after which he tells me he is in the hospital and won't be able to ship the unit. He e-mailed me stock photos of a man in the hospital that looked like they were literally taken off of a hospital's website. I filed a complaint with my bank and credit card but I have not seen a return on the money.

Moral of the story- I am not as wise as I thought regarding purchasing a used item online, but I thought buying a D400 wind generator off of a cruising forum would be far from a scam. I was wrong. Be aware of member churchwilliam.

Celestialsailor 08-09-2020 14:09

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I did a search under our "search members" tab and came up as no name exists.

TravelinLight 08-09-2020 14:13

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A couple of tips to help improve your success rate is to look at the number of posts they have on the forum. Newer members you should beware of. Also make sure you can speak to someone on the phone and ask for specific angels of the item to "prove" they have the item in question. Also try to secure a reference if you are not familiar with the poster. Also, if it seems like too good of a deal to be true, it usually is!

Pete7 08-09-2020 14:13

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I banned him.

Pete

DeValency 08-09-2020 14:45

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Another tip; if you wire the funds via PayPal under the payment to a merchant with the exact description of the product and the delivery time, there is a PayPal buyer protection arrangement, where you can dispute the transaction if the product has not been received and get a refund. I had to file a dispute twice over the last months and it worked.

taxwizz 09-09-2020 08:47

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Can we get the police involved?
This is fraud.

:nonono:

Stewie12 09-09-2020 08:48

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Seems that a lot of scammers use gmail addresses

DDabs 09-09-2020 09:01

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I opened a case with both my bank and Paypal.

DeValency 09-09-2020 09:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie12 (Post 3228531)
Seems that a lot of scammers use gmail addresses

They use all kind of free (at least to them) addresses and hacked/stolen legitimate corporate addresses.
Google could help in tracking the owners of such emails, as any email subscriber need to provide some additional personal data upon registration. We have tried that in the past with a hacker and got absolutely zero from Google (Gmail). The best you can do is flag them but that wouldn't help much as they switch all the time between email accounts.

Unfortunately, at least in the US, the police wouldn't do anything without a clear information of the suspect: name, address etc.. - even with that, probably not much.

Greg K 09-09-2020 09:26

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Churchwilliam should have been banned weeks ago before this happened to Ddabs. On August 17 I received a similar pm from him regarding my Aries windvane wanted add. Same MO with his ( so-called) friend Robinsonmichael ( one and the same person as Churchwilliam I believe). He sent me stock pictures of an Aries vane that had been sold some years ago. I declined the offer suspecting a scam and reported the incident to the Webmaster as a potential scam that same day. Obviously nothing was investigated and no action was taken even though I noted in my note to the webmaster that the individual had no posts and had had his profile checked numerous times.


Only banning this scammer is pointless as he can easily appear again under another name and different ip.

barnakiel 09-09-2020 10:59

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Bumped up.


Do press on PayPal as they offer some protection.


Too bad such things happen, perhaps there should be no trading allowed via the forum.


b.

AndyEss 09-09-2020 11:11

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I disagree about not having a trading section on CF. We are all adults of some sophistication as to the ways of the world. A few bad apples do show up anywhere in society.
The mods have to be on top of listening to credible complaints and ban the nomme de ruse when appropriate.

A possible filter might be to require any trader to have a minimum amount of posts on general topics before allowing a trading posting. This might go a little way on establishing at least minimal bonafides.

Greg K 09-09-2020 11:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyEss (Post 3228656)
......The mods have to be on top of listening to credible complaints and ban the nomme de ruse when appropriate.

A possible filter might be to require any trader to have a minimum amount of posts on general topics before allowing a trading posting....

That:thumb:

Lionshooter 09-09-2020 11:30

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You can find out a whole lot about someone if they have a facebook page. Many people do. Scammers don't.

peghall 09-09-2020 11:52

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Thanks for the heads up!

You paid using Paypal, which means the scammer also has to have a PayPal account. File a complaint with them...they recently refunded money I paid to someone who turned out to be a scammer. Don't know if they ever got it back from him.

--Peggie

mjscottinnc 09-09-2020 11:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionshooter (Post 3228674)
You can find out a whole lot about someone if they have a facebook page. Many people do. Scammers don't.



Like all generalizations, not entirely true. I’ve never had a personal Facebook page and never plan to have one. I know you said ‘many people do’ but that test would relegate the status of those of us who abhor big business social media companies and the personal data they collect and sell to the label of ‘Scammers’

Might want to propose a better scammer determinative indicator.

mako 09-09-2020 12:36

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I feel fortunate that I’ve never been “had” by a scammer. I deal with only the most honest Nigerian princes when collecting my $50million inheritances.

Rough Magic 09-09-2020 12:43

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Maybe a forum escrow service? The site holds funds until buyer receives item?

Dave_S 09-09-2020 12:49

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I use Amex and have had to complain about dodgy charges 3 times, each time they immediately refunded the money subject to investigation. I would highly recommend them based on my experiences.

Pete7 09-09-2020 13:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg K (Post 3228586)
. Obviously nothing was investigated and no action was taken even though I noted in my note to the webmaster that the individual had no posts and had had his profile checked numerous times.

Only banning this scammer is pointless as he can easily appear again under another name and different ip.

Action was taken, he and another 5 scammers were banned. As to investigation, please remember the unpaid moderators are ordinary members who volunteer to spend some of their time each week to keep the forum running smoothly.

However, you are correct, there will be more in the future, who we will deal with swiftly. There is a report button on a private message (little red and white triangle. Hit this and let us know your concerns.

Peter

Moderator

Flatswing 09-09-2020 13:08

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I got scammed for a tool recently. PayPal, refunded my money in 10 days. They ask you to try contacting the vendor 1st and provide them with appropriate documentation but they have been very helpful in my case which is why I prefer to pay for internet purchases with PayPal.

StuM 09-09-2020 14:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyEss (Post 3228656)
I disagree about not having a trading section on CF. We are all adults of some sophistication as to the ways of the world. A few bad apples do show up anywhere in society.
The mods have to be on top of listening to credible complaints and ban the nomme de ruse when appropriate.

A possible filter might be to require any trader to have a minimum amount of posts on general topics before allowing a trading posting. This might go a little way on establishing at least minimal bonafides.




That wouldn't help iin this case. It was a response to someone posting a want ad.

S/V Adeline 09-09-2020 15:35

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PayPal works but can be a double edged sword. Having an eBay store i deal directly with them on a regular basis, and for the most part they are extremely helpful, but scammers can still drive you crazy. I made a purchase from a *Canadian* company, paid higher Canadian rates, import duties, etc and later learned it was a drop shipment from California/China...which tracking showed it moved about 100 miles IN California some 20 days prior to my contacting PayPal for the third time. I provided tracking evidence, proving shipment hadn't moved in three weeks and same evidence proved it wasn't a Canadian shipment. It was registered as under a pound while my order was at least 10 pounds. PayPal contacted the scammer and the scammer provided the exact same evidence which, according to PayPal, was proof the shipment was in transit (tracking showed it in a warehouse while in truth waiting for a slow boat from China or never existed)
PayPal resolution was to allow 45 days shipping time before processing my refund.
It works, but they allow every option for the scammer to actually prove legit. Any tracking update automatically adds 10 days to your case. Many shippers use their own or 3rd party shipping before USPS gets the box. Smart scammers delay by updating their shipment from one warehouse to another while all they are doing is moving it on a computer.
In my case, I did not receive a refund until the package was actually delivered, to someone else, close but not in my immediate area. The USPS provided written proof the shipment associated with the tracking number was in fact addressed to another party, another address, but in the same zip code. It was not a package at all, but actually an envelope. Probably empty. Some scammers are going to extremes.
PayPal issued a refund about 30 seconds after receiving the emailed proof provided by USPS, hit my account while I was still on the phone but what a nightmare.

MickWay 09-09-2020 15:55

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Having read this thread, I am now convinced I have been caught on same type of scam. Purchased a c-map NT card still waiting after 6 weeks. Will contact paypal. Thanks for putting it out there

Greg K 09-09-2020 17:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete7 (Post 3228757)
Action was taken, he and another 5 scammers were banned. As to investigation, please remember the unpaid moderators are ordinary members who volunteer to spend some of their time each week to keep the forum running smoothly.

Peter

Moderator

I don't know when the poster was scammed so I can't really argue about whether timely action was taken or not by the folks running this website. All I can tell you is that I contacted the Webmaster on August 17 with the scammer warning.

As for solutions, Shouldn't be that technologically challenging to have an algorithm that spots users who have no web activity other than replies to "wanted" adds. Surely, these would be your prime suspects.

Sailing4Jesus 10-09-2020 02:54

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Shipmate,

Sadly, when these things happen, and they happen more often than we can imagine, all we get when we attempt to contact someone is a Robot. Speaking with a LIVE HUMAN is almost an impossibility these times. During my twenty-six-years Naval Career I managed Multi Million Dollar Navy Commissary Stores and Navy Exchanges, but still yet I have also have been Scammed Several Times here on the internet. The worse case for me is when earlier this year some unknown deposited a Check for $9,402.00 into my Navy Federal Credit Union (NFCU) Checking Account. As it turned out the check was a Social Security Settelment meant for some elderly woman which apparently the person who deposited into my account had stolen it. NFCU immediately declared me GUILTY and then Blocked all of my accounts, Canceled my DEBIT CARD, and all that without considering that I had been an NFCU Member since 1967 with a perfect record. That was five months ago and I am still blocked. As I told NFCU, If I were Admiral Freeman, instead of Senior Chief Freeman, this would never have happened. So all I can say to you Good Shipmate is Grin And Bear The PAIN.

NAVY SENIOR CHIEF RETIRED

south4320 10-09-2020 02:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionshooter (Post 3228674)
You can find out a whole lot about someone if they have a facebook page. Many people do. Scammers don't.

Makes me a scammer then. I expect I'll shortly be banned.

sailormed 10-09-2020 03:24

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Me to, but I was banned from FB because they asked for a picture of me after 15 years and 0 posts and I never supplied it :banghead:
So I was banned for not posting :-)

Sailing4Jesus 10-09-2020 04:21

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They at FACEBOOK ask for my Picture also, so I sent one of Jack The Ripper and so heard no more from FACEBOOK.

If ya can't beat them, join them. Remember also that Ya win some, ye loose some, and some are rained out.

SENIOR CHIEF

Tetepare 10-09-2020 04:53

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Come on, a little due diligence can avoid these scams.

On another forum, a new member joined yesterday and has responded to 15 WTB for items ranging from $500 to $30,000. That’s a red flag.

If they can’t describe the item: red flag. And if they won’t provide photo with today’s date, ask for payment via ScrewPal F&F, have a ten year old account with two posts, can’t provide a phone number or refuse to talk on the phone, etc.

Be careful, and be diligent

JC Reefer 10-09-2020 10:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetepare (Post 3229175)
Come on, a little due diligence can avoid these scams.




Got to agree here. When it comes to online purchases we all need to go in being real skeptics. It’s the Wild West out there and we each need to protect our selves.

Sailing4Jesus 10-09-2020 10:16

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The other day while strolling with my wife through Rota, Spain, we saw a sign outside one bar that read: (Special Of The Day. Pay double for your first Cruscampo, and get your second one free). I have been wondering just how many asked for the SPECIAL OF THE DAY.

Senior Chief

skipmac 10-09-2020 10:33

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I have bought and sold a number of items on CF and eBay. I always check to see how long the other party has been a member of the group and so far have had no problems.

NSboatman 10-09-2020 15:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mjscottinnc (Post 3228705)
Like all generalizations, not entirely true. I’ve never had a personal Facebook page and never plan to have one. I know you said ‘many people do’ but that test would relegate the status of those of us who abhor big business social media companies and the personal data they collect and sell to the label of ‘Scammers’

Might want to propose a better scammer determinative indicator.



Plus 1.

JC Reefer 10-09-2020 16:11

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If I were a scammer and the system began flagging me for posting for more than one item in a short amount of time then I’d simply create multiple accounts.

My point is that this would be an enormous task for CF to try and tackle.

We should all expect that the other party is scamming whenever making an online person to person trade.

kmacdonald 10-09-2020 16:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by south4320 (Post 3229135)
Makes me a scammer then. I expect I'll shortly be banned.

I feel your pain. A simple misunderstanding results in a rush to judgement.

Capn Jimbo 10-09-2020 16:40

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Only one poster got it right... escrow.

There's a great service which I used to transfer a boat on a private sale and I hope I'm allowed: it's escrow dot com. For example your $400 purchase would cost $13. It's all done online, and you have 100% assurance you won't be screwed. No money changes hands until you get what you expected.

In my case there was no broker (who I trust less than an escrow agent anyway). I tried to get the seller to agree to using a well known local broker, but no soap. Good luck next time. I hate arguing with CC companies or PP - too much time, trouble and no guarantees. No crook will agree to it.

Fiftybucks 10-09-2020 16:43

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several days ago i responded to a bosuns chair on the forum classifieds... i said i was interested but wanted more photos... I sent 2 PMs. He did not get the PMs and responded he was in the hospital...

tradrockrat 11-09-2020 09:08

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Scammer is back I just got this 5 minutes ago
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zxHxUSWFXw5BKdyL8

From JERFBANKS: Hello, Email Dana danaslovesneals at gmail dot com He has a Aries self steering windvane up for sale two weeks ago. It might still be available.

DDabs 11-09-2020 10:29

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Macs-english-Bookshop.com
https://Macs-english-Bookshop.com
macmel@web.de

These are the paypal account details of the guy who scammed me, just for everyone's information.


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