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keepondancin 06-07-2019 16:20

Best brand of portable gas tanks
 
Who has had good luck with the new portable fuel tanks, used in the dinghy. Bought one from West Marine last year, no vent, warning says it will swell in size. It is like a beach ball. Even after cooling down, all pressure released, it isn't even close to flat on the bottom anymore, so it just rolls back and forth. Looked at Moeller brand, it has what appears to be a venting cap. Sceptre has a a couple of designs, not sure if they vent or not. Today the sales person at WM said it was because I didn't buy the venting hose. Last year, they didn't have a venting hose.
This is all because of the low permeable plastic and house that is required, along with not being able to vent until internal pressure of 5psi. My good old style one appears to have terminal skin cancer, so it has to be replaced. Amazing what the sun is doing to everything, including us.

a64pilot 06-07-2019 17:01

Best brand of portable gas tanks
 
Itís the CARB compliant fuel caps, I gave mine away in the Bahamas due to the cap leaking incessantly, the can built pressure of course due to Californiaís requirement of it not venting then would leak fuel.
I got a non CARB compliant can in the Bahamas, unfortunately itís 6 gls and I want a 3 gl can.
Anyway you can buy a non compliant can on Amazon, but be careful as they sell the compliant ones too, here is one, old fashioned vent that wonít allow any pressure to build in the tank .
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075SGV3J2...v_ov_lig_dp_it

a64pilot 06-07-2019 17:04

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This one for example has the non venting California cap and will blow up like a ball in the sun
https://www.amazon.com/Scepter-08576...M8JNFXQAK7G04Q

john61ct 06-07-2019 23:49

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Genuine NATO cans like German surplus

not cheap Chinese "equivalent"

belizesailor 07-07-2019 00:15

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Passed thru the USA recently for the first time in a few years, owner of boat needed a few more jerry jugs, bought some of the current crop. What a load of rubbish those bureaucrat designed pour spouts are! Almost impossible to use. First thing we did was rip the guts out of them and just put a plug in the end.

Jammer 07-07-2019 07:33

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For small outboards, I get the old 6 gallon metal OMC ones (1960-late 1970s), and repair them if necessary. Most of the parts are still available, and they far outperform the new ones. Though they long predate CARB, they are a pressurized design. They will not balloon up or leak, as long as the valves and cap are in good condition.



3 gallon ones also exist but they are hard to find.


For cans that pour rather than having a fuel line outlet, I use an Eagle Type I safety can. They are metal, and available in 1 to 5 gallon sizes. They are self closing and have a flame arrestor. They are CARB compliant and I believe you can buy them in all 50 states and internationally. Unlike the cheap CARB tanks, you release the cap by pulling on a handle, then pour the regular way. They come with a funnel. I find that they work very well for refuelling small outboards, and for topping up the 6 gallon tanks without removing them from the boat.

a64pilot 07-07-2019 07:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by john61ct (Post 2925285)
Genuine NATO cans like German surplus

not cheap Chinese "equivalent"



Will rust like the Devil on a boat and leave a rust ring wherever they are placed, just like a steel propane bottle will.

thinwater 07-07-2019 07:45

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Part of the problem is e10. It has greater vapor pressure than non-ethanol gas. That is why the sale of e10 in the summer was blocked in some areas (pre-Trump). The solution is to do something to keep the sun off the can. Otherwise, no matter the exact can design, old or new, it will build pressure. Put it under a seat. Make a cover. Paint it white. Anything.

Another problem can be pushing fuel into the carb. There are in-line demand valves (what the WM idiot though was a venting hose, I bet) or you can add a ball valve (better IMO).

It simply is not possible to create a sealed container that won't build up to 5-10 psi in the sun with e10 unless you use a venting cap. Physics and ethanol. And unless the container is sealed, it will evaporate and/or draw water from the air. Neither is good for the engine. With built-in tanks, silica gel vent filters are a great solution. With portable tanks. the options are limited.

rmlarson1098 07-07-2019 09:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by keepondancin (Post 2925124)
Who has had good luck with the new portable fuel tanks, used in the dinghy. Bought one from West Marine last year, no vent, warning says it will swell in size. It is like a beach ball. Even after cooling down, all pressure released, it isn't even close to flat on the bottom anymore, so it just rolls back and forth. Looked at Moeller brand, it has what appears to be a venting cap. Sceptre has a a couple of designs, not sure if they vent or not. Today the sales person at WM said it was because I didn't buy the venting hose. Last year, they didn't have a venting hose.
This is all because of the low permeable plastic and house that is required, along with not being able to vent until internal pressure of 5psi. My good old style one appears to have terminal skin cancer, so it has to be replaced. Amazing what the sun is doing to everything, including us.

Rotopax. Nothing else like them. 2 and 4 gallon for gasoline, with same tough construction for water & diesel - just different colors. VERY durable! Discontinued the (blue) kerosene tanks which is too bad.
These portable tanks are expensive but worth every dime.

HopCar 07-07-2019 09:23

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Wonít help with the plastic tanks but these fix the new plastic fuel cans. Even includes a capped vent you can install. You just canít pour fuel out of the new cans with no vents.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M9VTL88...f-c1ff0179d65b

a64pilot 07-07-2019 09:48

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I have bought those vents and spouts.
Be advised you need a step drill to install the vents, a regular twist drill will deform the tank and not seal well, a step drill leaves a nice flat hole.
Youíll likely need a screwdriver placed into the vent and a little grease to get it to seat, itís a very tight fit.

However the spouts are junk, very thin and almost no flange and leak almost immediately.

If someone knows of a good spout it would be very appreciated.

Iím contemplating this thing, but itís a bunch of money Iíd rather not spend, but Iím getting tired of spilling fuel
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010GNM7H4...v_ov_lig_dp_it

rmlarson1098 07-07-2019 10:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a64pilot (Post 2925545)
I have bought those vents and spouts.
Be advised you need a step drill to install the vents, a regular twist drill will deform the tank and not seal well, a step drill leaves a nice flat hole.
Youíll likely need a screwdriver placed into the vent and a little grease to get it to seat, itís a very tight fit.

However the spouts are junk, very thin and almost no flange and leak almost immediately.

If someone knows of a good spout it would be very appreciated.

Iím contemplating this thing, but itís a bunch of money Iíd rather not spend, but Iím getting tired of spilling fuel
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010GNM7H4...v_ov_lig_dp_it

While the 'Rotopax' portable tanks I mentioned previously are exceptional - and easily found on their flashy website - they are still made in the USA with all the 'safety' concerns that involves - like frustrating nozzles and such. But the containers themselves are excellent.

1affiah 07-07-2019 10:39

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Take a look at these on Amazon:

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I've used these with a jiggle siphon with excellent results, will actually hold 6 gallons. This model is without a spout. The spout is about $7. more, includes clear hose, threaded connections so you can use inverted with a brass valve and add water to separate alcohol from fuel (if that is your bag)

thinwater 07-07-2019 10:46

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I've been testing one of these. It's the bee's knees.


https://www.surecanusa.com/


Or at least so far it has proven spill proof (not a drip) and idiot proof. I'm not sure about pressurization in the sun (I have not left it in the sun), but When you pull the trigger there is an automatic vent. Can't say about long term durability; I've only had it 6 months, but no problems.


https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....HL._SX425_.jpg
I still have a collection of 5-gallon early model CARB cans, but I only use them with a shaker siphon.

jmschmidt 07-07-2019 12:02

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I bought the same dinghy tank from West Marine, no cap vent and a warning. But I saved my old cap from the tank I threw away and it fits the new tank. The guy at West said most caps will fit and my old one had a vent screw.

keepondancin 07-07-2019 13:16

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Just tried an older cap on the crap WM tank, and the threads on the WM tank are too short for the old cap. Turned it upside down, and leaked immediately. I need another fuel tank, not jerry jugs. I am fortunate enough to have a very good supply of diesel jugs, the good kind that have vents and simple spouts. The dinghy gas tank is the problem. I am finding less and less knowledgable people in the three marine stores near where my boat is now. Frustrating. And reading about the pressure build up in the tank and hose, then pressurizing the carb is just stupid. The WM near me is absolutely the worst. I usually will pay a little more at another shop, that won't, or can't price match. At WM you either get a wise ass, or the deer in the headlights blank look.

a64pilot 07-07-2019 14:53

Best brand of portable gas tanks
 
You need a dinghy fuel tank, order one off of Amazon that is not CARB compliant, easy to tell by looking at it.
Just me but I think CARB compliant tanks and jugs do the opposite of why they are supposed to, only way I can use one is the jiggle siphon which doesnít work to fill a Honda generator.
Iím looking for a way to do that, but I guess I could take this 6gl dinghy tank I have now and use it with an extended run fuel cap on the Honda and refill it from a 5 gl can and a jiggle siphon.

keepondancin 07-07-2019 15:27

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Don't think that would work, when you read the reviews, the complaint quite often is that the tank isn't what was in the picture. I am just going to get a brand name, probably Moeller, rather than a made for, for a price, one from WM. You don't even get what you pay for with WM, their branded stuff is only slightly less than brand names, and if shopped properly, higher in price. And yes, in the world where people use the CARB jugs and thing every day, we all say the same thing, basically spilling more than the old style. And the plastic tanks and hoses allowed vapors to permeate out, let's worry about larger things than that, and I am a climate change believer. I just look at weather, coral bleaching, algae growth, fish die off, weather patterns, etc.

esarratt 01-08-2020 10:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer (Post 2925453)
For small outboards, I get the old 6 gallon metal OMC ones (1960-late 1970s), and repair them if necessary. Most of the parts are still available, and they far outperform the new ones. Though they long predate CARB, they are a pressurized design. They will not balloon up or leak, as long as the valves and cap are in good condition.



3 gallon ones also exist but they are hard to find.



I found a 3 gallon OMC tank. Are they worth buying? If so, why?

Jammer 01-08-2020 18:54

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If you buy one today it will last longer than a new plastic tank that you buy today.


Most parts are available.


You will have to deal with the Johnson/Evinrude connector and make a hose with that on one end and whatever connector your motor uses on the other end. You will have to clean out the tank and probably replace the gaskets and o-rings in the fuel outlet assembly. You will also have to replace the filler cap.


Is it worth it? Depends on your point of view.

esarratt 02-08-2020 12:47

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Thanks.


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