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tortuga68 06-10-2016 07:57

Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Hi all, I'm in the market for a coastal cruiser for day sailing and short cruises from my home in the Philippines. I'm looking for something comfortable and easy to sail short- or singlehanded. Out of the limited options available locally I'm currently looking at the two models mentioned, specifically these two:

https://www.pgyc.org/for-sale/beneteau_oceanis_343.php

https://www.pgyc.org/sail-boats-for-sale.php#classicsail (Sorry I can't figure out the shortcut for the link... It's the 8th boat listed, 2 below the Beneteau)

As an inexperienced sailor I'd welcome your thoughts on the pros and cons of each model head-to-head; which you think would best suit my needs; and any thoughts on the pricing - bearing in mind choices here are limited.

My thoughts in short are that the Beneteau is newer but the Hunter is better equipped (eg generator, air conditioning). Not sure where that leaves me.

What do you think?

Thanks in advance!

DDabs 07-10-2016 07:38

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
I didn't know Beneteau made clipper ships! lol

IN all honesty, without causing an uproar or a huge argument - between those two boats I would go with the Beneteau. It will sail a little bit nicer than the Hunter in MY opinion, and after all that's what you're going to be using the boat for. You don't need creature comforts like a generator on a 34 ft. sailboat.

tortuga68 07-10-2016 17:18

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Thanks for your reply

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDabs (Post 2229646)
You don't need creature comforts like a generator on a 34 ft. sailboat.

Could you elaborate on that point? I don't have any experience overnighting on a sailboat.

DivingOtter 07-10-2016 17:38

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tortuga68 (Post 2230037)
Thanks for your reply



Could you elaborate on that point? I don't have any experience overnighting on a sailboat.

A generator is used when the main engine is off and will charge the battery bank but a boat of this size doesn't demand the power say a 50 ft does. Therefore it's not really needed.

S/V Illusion 07-10-2016 18:24

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DivingOtter (Post 2230052)
A generator is used when the main engine is off and will charge the battery bank but a boat of this size doesn't demand the power say a 50 ft does. Therefore it's not really needed.

Like all generalities, this one isn't true. Our previous 40 footer and our current boat had/have essentially equivalent power demands. Or, more precisely, we had/have the same power demands.

As to which boat is preferable, it's a matter of personal taste and opinion. Neither has any definitive advantage over the other. My advice to any new boater is find the best maintained and best equipped boat in your price range.

DivingOtter 07-10-2016 18:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion (Post 2230075)
Like all generalities, this one isn't true. Our previous 40 footer and our current boat had/have essentially equivalent power demands. Or, more precisely, we had/have the same power demands.

As to which boat is preferable, it's a matter of personal taste and opinion. Neither has any definitive advantage over the other. My advice to any new boater is find the best maintained and best equipped boat in your price range.

Well, I wasn't meaning that some don't, I was just trying to give an example but should have just stated something with power demands depending on the owners needs.

DDabs 08-10-2016 11:40

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
You're only going to run a generator on a 34' boat to use air conditioning at anchor. Other than that, it's pretty pointless. But to each their own.

tortuga68 08-10-2016 19:28

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDabs (Post 2230574)
You're only going to run a generator on a 34' boat to use air conditioning at anchor

Right. That's why the air conditioned Hunter has a generator and the non-AC Beneteau doesn't.

Personally I think AC is quite desirable here in the Philippines where it's often 30C/86F and 80% humidity


Quote:

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion (Post 2230075)
My advice to any new boater is find the best maintained and best equipped boat in your price range.

What if they're both equally well maintained but the better equipped boat is a 1999 and the other a 2008? That is my dilemma, specifically with regard to resale value and, to a lesser extent, ongoing maintenance costs

If both were the same price, for arguments sake, which would the good people of CF choose in my circumstances?

DDabs 08-10-2016 21:07

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
So have you been on either one of them?

tortuga68 08-10-2016 21:39

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
I've been aboard the Hunter and will look at the Beneteau this week

DDabs 09-10-2016 14:30

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
So how'd you like the Hunter?

J Clark H356 09-10-2016 18:04

Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Some people think generators are only for charging batteries. We use ours to provide heat or air conditioning full time when away from the dock, either cruising or at anchor. It can make unfavorable conditions pleasant. There is nothing worse than being wet and cold and not able to get dry and warm. With a generator, you have that option in any kind of weather. You do use some fuel, (our Northern Lights 5 KW uses about .25 gallons per hour) but it makes your time aboard much more flexible and comfortable. You then have a choice to use or not.


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tortuga68 09-10-2016 20:24

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Thanks. Heating definitely not required here but AC would be very nice to have

On that topic, how hard/expensive would it be to put AC into the Beneteau? It was a factory option so I assume retrofit is possible. Most places we'll be there's no shore power so a generator would also be needed


Quote:

Originally Posted by DDabs (Post 2231444)
So how'd you like the Hunter?

I liked it a lot and, importantly, so did the wife. However the owner seems unwilling to negotiate on the price which at $75.5k makes it one of the most expensive Hunter 340s for sale anywhere in the world, which is also reflected in the fact that it's been for sale over a year. The Beneteau on the other hand has just come onto the market and I believe the owner would be prepared to give a reasonable discount for a quick sale (the market here is very illiquid). So in the end the Beneteau will most likely be the cheaper option to purchase, as well as newer and, according to most people anyway, sailing a bit better. OTOH putting AC and a genny in may well eliminate any cost saving.

Hopefully I can look at the Beneteau this week and see for myself although from looking at specs and photos it seems very similar. Also need to get the thumbs up from 'the Admiral' on that one too. So pending that I'm keeping an open mind and seeking opinions.

DDabs 11-10-2016 06:39

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Putting in a central A/C system is just going to be a matter of running the ducting, which the Beneteau should have room for if A/C was an option from the factory.

S/V Illusion 11-10-2016 07:06

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Retrofitting AC isn't a consideration in choosing a boat. Here in Flirida, virtually every boat has the necessary ducting, many retrofitted to add it. There are no boats which cannot be so equipped. Therefore, the choice is one of condition and sailing characteristics.

The only real distinction between the two is that beneteaus generally have a flatter bottom forward of the keel as an inherent design characteristic. Walk around any large yard where they store boats and you can see the design. Because of this, beneteaus are more prone to 'pounding' into waves that a more traditional hull form making them more annoying and sometimes uncomfortable. That's why we sold our Beneteau and also why we don't like making long passages on our son's B 45.

DDabs 11-10-2016 09:21

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
I doubt the Hunter will be any better at the "pounding" issue. The Beneteau is about ~6000 lbs. heavier than the Hunter, for what it's worth.

S/V Illusion 11-10-2016 10:06

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDabs (Post 2232864)
I doubt the Hunter will be any better at the "pounding" issue. The Beneteau is about ~6000 lbs. heavier than the Hunter, for what it's worth.

6000 pounds?????
Actually, according to the manufacturer's specs, the B343 displacement is 11,800 pounds. The H340 displacement 11,400 pounds. Been a while since grade school but I think that is a 400 pound difference. Trivial.

Regardless, it's more a function of hull form than weight/displacement.

My intent isn't to criticize B but rather to note my experience in sailing both.

DDabs 11-10-2016 12:52

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My bad, sailboatdata had both its pages for the 343 stating displacement was 17k lbs.

tortuga68 13-10-2016 01:33

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDabs (Post 2232735)
Putting in a central A/C system is just going to be a matter of running the ducting...

I believe there is also a small matter of installing a compressor, evaporator, fan, controls and so on


Quote:

Originally Posted by S/V Illusion (Post 2232760)
Retrofitting AC isn't a consideration in choosing a boat

I'm not concerned about whether it's possible. I am however concerned about whether the parts will be available here in the Philippines, and what the cost would be to purchase & install them. I think that's a relevant consideration when comparing two boats where one has AC and the other doesn't.

tortuga68 18-10-2016 23:57

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Well, I went aboard the Beneteau today. As expected, fairly similar to the Hunter in overall design. I have to say the Hunter was better maintained and presented despite being 9 years older. It was really immaculate. The Beneteau looks like it's been sitting for the best part of the last 5 years while her owner only comes here on holidays to sail her. Which is the case as far as I can gather. Other than that, which isn't critical, and the AC/generator on the Hunter, I can't pick much difference between them visually.


On the topic of AC, I received an estimate of $2700 to retrofit it. Apparently the boat needs to get hauled to have a water intake installed for the cooling. That could be done at a later date, maybe during the next antifoul (was last done in 2015). The marine generator is a bigger cost, the Paguro model (as fitted to the Hunter) is around $7,000 alone... so the total cost of upgrading with new components would be almost $10k

tortuga68 30-10-2016 08:35

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Planning to make an offer on the Beneteau... from researching more than 40 other B343s listed on yachtworld, apolloduck and theyachtmarket, the asking price of $79,500 seems about 10% high to me for a 2008 model with similar spec. So I think a firm offer of -25% ($60k) is reasonable, pending survey.

Any thoughts?

danstanford 31-10-2016 05:26

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tortuga68 (Post 2246791)
Planning to make an offer on the Beneteau... from researching more than 40 other B343s listed on yachtworld, apolloduck and theyachtmarket, the asking price of $79,500 seems about 10% high to me for a 2008 model with similar spec. So I think a firm offer of -25% ($60k) is reasonable, pending survey.

Any thoughts?

I agree with your assessment of the pricing. About 6 weeks ago we bought a 2007 B323 so we did lots of looking. Would really have preferred a 343 but there were none for sale anywhere near us and we really loved this boat so did it. You will love the Beneteau features and quality not to mention handling.

Dan

a64pilot 31-10-2016 06:38

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
Sometimes boats up for sale, the owner really may not want to sell, so they price high.
Not always, but sometimes.

tortuga68 01-11-2016 03:43

Re: Beneteau 343 vs Hunter 340: buying advice sought
 
I saw some B343s listed for well over $100k so yes I agree that happens sometimes. However the 2 boats in question are definitely for sale. One owner just bought a replacement and the other has left the country.


On a side note, FWIW I noticed that prices on sailboatlistings.com were significantly higher than the other sites I mentioned, like 50% higher on average. The 5 most expensive 343s I found were all on SBL


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