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SimonV 13-02-2016 00:46

Is Cruisers sailing forum losing it's way
 
Recently there seems to be more arguments than information in the posts. There was a time not that long ago when the hands on advice came from Cruisers passing on their experience, lately the laudest voice seems to be from keyboard worriers who parotphraze someone else written theory from the 70s or an out and out troll looking for a stupid argument. It's not helpful, especially for the newbee or even the experienced looking for help or conformation. What's the Answer?

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arsenelupiga 13-02-2016 01:27

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definitely bad, and keeps people away but as I am recent member, do not know it any other way. Cat-mono seem to be pretty hot topic for certain mono people, maybe because they feel insecure or simply marketing campaign. As CF does provide sometimes useful info, read only mode is alternative, so you do not login.

Uncle Bob 13-02-2016 01:36

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Ah but some of the trolls have class !!

StuM 13-02-2016 01:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Bob (Post 2044455)
Ah but some of the trolls have class !!

But no taste :)

Uncle Bob 13-02-2016 01:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StuM (Post 2044459)
But no taste :)

Touche. :biggrin:

Franziska 13-02-2016 01:51

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There will be always haters. Unfortunately.

Still the amount of useful advice and information is spectacular.
Way outruns the trolls which can and should be ignored.

Cruisers Forum? I'm lovin' it!

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Pete7 13-02-2016 02:02

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Simon, we try hard to keep CF friendly and in particular ensure everyone complies with our "be nice" rule. If you feel that something is unacceptable please feel free to report it using the "report button" under everyone's profile on the left hand side of each post. It will never be perfect, but we can at least try.

For the very small minority that really want to cause offence on line, well there are other sailing forums that may suit their needs better.

Peter

JPA Cate 13-02-2016 02:45

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We're not allowed to discuss moderation on CF, which may be a shame because some of us would like sometimes to have input. On the other hand, the mods are volunteers, who share thoughts and who are bloody d--n well doing the best they can. ....It's got to be a lot like trying to herd cats.

An internet forum is an incomplete service. People mainly do the best they can. Some people think CF needs more moderation, others, less. Therefore, they must have it about right. Just pay no attention to the contributors' posts whom you don't like. You don't even need the ignore button. You just consider the source, and the ignorable ones quickly make themselves apparent.

Basically, the mods do the very best they can; and you just might get volunteered to take a mod place if you kvetch.

'Nuff said.

Ann

Ribbit 13-02-2016 02:46

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The vast majority here are really good. But this site does suffer the same problems that just about every other site suffers from today.

Activist 'Thought Police' (whether self appointed or not) types, who will dumb down as much as they can, and do their utmost to close down any discussion that doesn't fit their approved parameters.

Unfortunately you can't just ignore them, because left to their own devices, they destroy whatever they touch. I've seen far too many good places go down the tubes over the years, because of them (and God help you if any of them ever get to be on the Mods team, they will try and pad it out with colleagues). Usually the people paying the bills end up saying enough is enough, and shut it down.

These people have a long track record of making sock puppet accounts, then creating topics for discussion to promote their views, then log in their sock puppet accounts to post 'supportive comments'. A classic recent example was one posting a topic on gender equality on sailboats, or some equally ridiculous drivel. Oh what a giveaway.

To show how bad it is, Facebook has suffered a plague of these sock puppet drivers, for a very long time. There are lots of people there with around 50 sock puppet accounts, building up likes and other such nonsense, with more than a few having rather unpleasant ulterior motives, while they have long and involved conversations with themselves.

The biggest problem CF has, is the poor security, no https, and the lack of certificates. As a result the advertising hosts and some advertisers arriving via them, are taking outrageous liberties with visitors to the site, and seriously abusing the privilege that CF is extending to them to have a place here.

I have a rule now that I apply to every site I start visiting. If I put 15 avatars (they might be the same person driving a sock puppet) on my ignore list within a month. I leave the site and don't go back (some places I have hit 15 within an hour).

Wherever you go, the vast majority of people are better than fine. But there's always a few seriously disturbed B's that try and mess it up for everybody. For much of my life I have been a part time barman (sometimes a full time barman), probably my favourite job overall (your entertainment comes through the doo to you), but you have to like people (it's a nightmare job if you don't). It isn't that often that you have to do it, but sometimes you just have to throw out the trash, and bar them for life from ever coming back.

Your regulars are far too important to even consider tolerating unacceptable nonsense.

Snowpetrel 13-02-2016 03:47

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I've noticed a few changes, I can't quite put my finger on what exactly.

But there seems to be less real quality collaborative discussion that bounces off each other and generates new ideas and ways of doing stuff for the more experienced cruisers.

Also seems like a lot more checkbook sailors these days. Probably not just in the forum but also out in the real world.

Or maybe I've just been here too long?

GordMay 13-02-2016 03:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate (Post 2044478)
We're not allowed to discuss moderation on CF, which may be a shame because some of us would like sometimes to have input ...

I’m certain the Mods would be pleased to hear your input. Just drop any one of them a private message, detailing your ideas, and (perhaps) requesting a reply.

Tientos 13-02-2016 04:16

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As a recent newbie to both this and other forums, and as a woman and experienced cruiser,I understand why many women have tuned out. Even newbies are told off for following a dream. Whilst I appreciate a lot of information here, there can be a lot of negativity from perceived male armchair sailors. I was once told off by mods, quite rightly, because the I could not tolerate ignorant comments. With women's groups approaching thousands, it may be time to review both the membership and diversity of this group. We are all supposed to be cruisers supporting each other.


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daletournier 13-02-2016 04:44

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It's really only a handful of "contributers" that I believe lower the standard. Some of these people are actually quite knowledgeable, its just their ego's get in the way. It's actually a shame as it seriously takes away from the forum.
For what's it's worth it's not just here, I recently looked at Sailnet thinking it may be different? Well just go check the "steel vs grp thread out, Brent Swain and Bob Perry ( both boat designers) amongst others going at it, seriously it's a joke, hard to believe these guys are grown men, I actually found myself reading it for entertainment (I obviously need to get a life).Our own multihull issue or multihull sailors that keep having an issue isn't that much better, and yes one of them resorted to name calling the other day. .lol.
I was thinking about this the other day, grown men sitting in tropical anchorages, living the dream while name calling on the Internet at people they don't even know on the other side of the world? Talk about missing the point!
Cheers Dale.

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thomm225 13-02-2016 05:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daletournier (Post 2044514)
I was thinking about this the other day, grown men sitting in tropical anchorages, living the dream while name calling on the Internet at people they don't even know on the other side of the world?

This is the key point for many.

What is the dream?

Is it being bored sitting in a tropical anchorage on a boat smaller than most small motel rooms with nothing to do but piddle around with the boat?

Is it possible to retire after working 40-50 years in a mentally stressful or physically stressful environment with lots of stimuli to deal with then suddenly turn it off?

Some guys can spend all day hooking up a switch then discussing this hookup for hours and how they did each step. Then if someone disagrees with one small point........IT"S ON!!

Some can watch anchor setting videos for hours and be totally content

These are the lucky ones.

Others need something more....

Some want a permanent vacation; others a permanent adventure......
__________________________________________________ ____________

As far as just getting information from cruisers on cruising, you would miss lots of good info from sailboat racers as well as technical information on electrical, structural etc from onshore experts.

For example, I learn tons while reading the arguments on the inverter thread and I was an electronics tech. (cheap inverters offshore misused could lead to disaster)

Also, that thread showed the lack of understanding by many but I'm sure each learned things throughout the discussions/arguments


Don't misunderstand, we learn lots from the cruisers, but we learn from the petty arguments as well........

daletournier 13-02-2016 05:22

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I was talking about the attitude and name calling not the fact we are using an internet forum, sorry if that didn't seem clear. I enjoy being connected and using the net, wasn't suggesting that was a problem. Did others misinterpret my post?

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OldFrog75 13-02-2016 05:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tientos (Post 2044497)
As a recent newbie to both this and other forums, and as a woman and experienced cruiser,I understand why many women have tuned out. Even newbies are told off for following a dream.

Interesting take. A regular contributor recently went to another site and one of his complaints was his perception of unfettered encouragement of newbies to buy a boat and sail the world.

Like most things, I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.

thomm225 13-02-2016 05:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daletournier (Post 2044527)
I was talking about the attitude and name calling not the fact we are using an internet forum, sorry if that didn't seem clear. I enjoy being connected and using the net, wasn't suggesting that was a problem. Did others misinterpret my post?

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I took an idea from your post that I had also considered and totally ignored the rest of it. Standard internet procedure.......

daletournier 13-02-2016 05:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFrog75 (Post 2044536)
Interesting take. A regular contributor recently went to another site and one of his complaints was his perception of unfettered encouragement of newbies to buy a boat and sail the world.

Like most things, I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Sorry, I don't understand what your trying to say? I'm being genuine here, can you please explain further.

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thomm225 13-02-2016 05:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFrog75 (Post 2044536)
A regular contributor recently went to another site and one of his complaints was his perception of unfettered encouragement of newbies to buy a boat and sail the world.

That guy (Mark) probably needs to go back to work.

He's way too smart to be wasting time on these petty internet arguments.......

But he said he could spend hours trying to loosen a rusted/stuck screw or bolt!

Kenomac 13-02-2016 05:40

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Yes, the enjoyment has gone way down for me. Nowadays, I need to scrutinize everything I write, so that someone won't take it the wrong way, twist it around, then start the arguing and name calling.

The forum seemed to change last summer regarding the supervision.

OldFrog75 13-02-2016 05:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daletournier (Post 2044539)
Sorry, I don't understand what your trying to say? I'm being genuine here, can you please explain further.

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Poster said, "even newbies are told off for following the dream." I was merely pointing out that at least one person complained about the exact opposite.

:peace:

belizesailor 13-02-2016 05:53

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Ive noticed the same change. A lot more pointless arguments. Definately not in the best interest of CF. Mods should really step up efforts to curb this detrimental behaivior.

Maybe add a "fight club" forum where those so inclined can go argue all they want.

daletournier 13-02-2016 05:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenomac (Post 2044543)
Yes, the enjoyment has gone way down for me. Nowadays, I need to scrutinize everything I write, so that someone won't take it the wrong way, twist it around, then start the arguing and name calling.

The forum seemed to change last summer regarding the supervision.

Hey Ken, I agree with what your saying. An example to me would be Polux. Now I'm not saying people need to agree with him or that he is always right but the abuse ( and it is abuse) he cops is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong , disagreement is definately part of a public forum and good for it, and most that are disagreeing or debating do so in a acceptable manner it's the small majority that abuse the debate/discussion. I think it was you that were called a tool the other day? Is that ok?


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athene 13-02-2016 06:18

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Too many silverback gorillas in the forum. I recommend castration.

GORDON KNIGHT

boatman61 13-02-2016 06:26

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For me CF is a kind of between jobs interest.. and during the jobs.. if I can get the connections..
My pleasure with CF is mainly gained from ribbing others 'old timer's' on here.
But.. every fall I come back to find folks I'd formed an online relationship is no longer around.. Hummingway for example.. okay I get it we're mainly old farts and the Reaper is busy as the weeks tick by.. age or the sea..:biggrin:
But it seems each time I re-appear some of the newbies seem more trollish/arguementative.
Personally no problem.. done my contribution duties as a newbie the first few years having to fight the Conservative's on here to prove I knew something.. till Atoll acknowledged maybe I knew something after all and just learnt via the School of Hard Knocks...:whistling:
I am NOT here to teach folks.. if I wanted to do that I'd add it to my Delivery site and do it on a boat..
I will however post what I do.. you do as you choose..:thumb:
And should anyone care to challenge me or call me a fool.. I'm happy to take up the lance and joust...
Everyone come's here for different reasons.. and tech info.. it is humungous.. but so is so much more.. route's, changing weather patterns, new marina's etc.. active sharing info not the dull stuff that can be picked up in any library. you know.. those house's with lots of things called 'Book's'.
For me this is a virtual bar.. and my mates hang out here.. and everyone else is welcome but... its a sailors bar.. not a WASP's meeting place for those of a certain class.. or wealth..
There's a lot of snobbery and elitism.. which I find hilarious.. but then the 'Nuevo Riche' have always made me laugh..:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
Mock me for my broken down bit of crap that has me doing more miles in a month than you do in a year Bud and I'll slap you right back.. just like in the real world...
But one thing stand out overall...
Its usually the 'Takers' doing the complaining about the Giver's... some jumped up twat who is out thought by single cells come's along.. BOOM..!!



captain58sailin 13-02-2016 06:26

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When one offers an opinion, regardless of how well reasoned it might be, it seems that there are plenty of posters that are willing to point out the deficiencies in the reasoning no matter how small. Straining gnats and swallowing camels.

captain58sailin 13-02-2016 06:31

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And right now, I'm finishing up a major refit and I don't have time to discuss the various merits of heat shrink butt connectors on electrical connections. I haven't gotten many sea miles this year which is a new thing for me and I am suffering from major fish killing withdrawal, which should be commencing again soon if my time on the grid is successful today. Tide and weather permitting.

boatman61 13-02-2016 06:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daletournier (Post 2044562)
Hey Ken, I think it was you that were called a tool the other day? Is that ok?
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Hey Keno... You got promoted... :cheers::bravo:
:biggrin::flowers:

HappyMdRSailor 13-02-2016 06:49

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It seems to me the disagreement level is a cyclical event, but always creeping up...

It's a shame, as there's so much knowledge here... It would go a LONG WAY to make things better if more of the argumentative type said:

"I think there's a better way".... Instead of ...

"You're an idiot and completely wrong... "


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ann T. Cate (Post 2044478)
We're not allowed to discuss moderation on CF, which may be a shame because some of us would like sometimes to have input. On the other hand, the mods are volunteers, who share thoughts and who are bloody d--n well doing the best they can. ....It's got to be a lot like trying to herd cats.

An internet forum is an incomplete service. People mainly do the best they can. Some people think CF needs more moderation, others, less. Therefore, they must have it about right. Just pay no attention to the contributors' posts whom you don't like. You don't even need the ignore button. You just consider the source, and the ignorable ones quickly make themselves apparent.

Basically, the mods do the very best they can; and you just might get volunteered to take a mod place if you kvetch.

'Nuff said.

Ann

Excellent post Ann ! :thumb:

(now... is discussing about "not" discussing really discussing???):confused:
:whistling:

oldragbaggers 13-02-2016 07:32

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This is a very interesting subject, and one I have thought about so many times, not just in regard to CF, but other online sites I frequent. I often find the online world difficult to function in for a variety of reasons, but bottom line is that, for me, it combines so many elements that I truly enjoy; communicating with people from diverse backgrounds, writing, learning new information, being exposed to different viewpoints; so I carry on and try to navigate it all without getting run over. (Not easy sometimes.)

For me, I often have to monitor my comments because in real life I have a rather dry and sarcastic sense of humor, which people who know me totally get, but it doesn't always translate well into the written word, especially if you forget to attach your little smiley faces. I think over time I have identified most of the others here and on other forums who share my acerbic wit and appreciate them for having the skill to get it out there without getting clobbered.

The thing that absolutely confounds me....that, being a people person, I honestly do not understand, are why there are so many people on a SOCIAL forum who seem to have the most unsocial tendancies. They say they are just here to "learn," and don't care about being social. There are so many informational sources out there that require no personal interaction with others, you can read to your hearts content, watch videos, download tutorials, and gather any and all kind of information you could ever want, without ever having the need to be rude to another person. So why do they? Why are there some people on this forum (and most others) who I can honestly say I don't think have ever seen make a single comment of a positive nature, even though they post frequently. If they followed my Mama's advice and "didn't say anything if they couldn't say anything nice," they wouldn't have a single post on here anywhere.

I understand that we all come from different life experiences and viewpoints, and I find that to be so very interesting, but there are so many who turn that into a basis of being mean. Instead of just saying "this is what I do" or "this is how I do it," they have to extend that to say, "this is what I do and you are all idiots who do it or see it differently." They either don't understand that by making sweeping, generalized, insulting comments there are going to be actual, real people here who are going to be saying, "wtf??"

On the thread where we were talking about Facebook. One poster, rather than just saying they don't use Facebook and don't like it had to extend those comments to say that anyone who does has "frustrated adolescent tendancies." Or the thread where we were talking about sailing boats with simple systems and someone had to say, "the only reason people sail simple boats is because they can't afford boats with the good stuff on them." Or the ongoing, never friggin ending, posts where there are a couple of posters who take every opportunity to say that people who spend time restoring boats do so because they don't know how to sail, or don't really want to sail. And of course I don't even need to go into the gun threads, anchor threads, keel threads, production boat threads, health care debate, composting head issue. OMG........

From politics, to religion, to diet, to type of boat, there is nothing that can't be criticized in the most insulting of ways. I guess it's just human nature, but not a part of human nature that I find particularly attractive, and it is truly a stumbling block to being "social."

So, I find that I'll initially find a thread interesting and try to get involved, and then a couple of the rude posters will come skidding into it with their forked tongue (keyboard) ablazing, and rather than get my Irish up and take the chance of getting moderated I just check out again and move onto the next thing, because once you get one of them in there the only people that remain after awhile are those who enjoy arguing with them. To me that thread is dead after that.

Tbere are a couple of threads going over on Sailnet started by people who used to be on this form who want to have everyone believe that it's better there. Their reasoning is that this forum is over moderated. I for one think it's unfortunate that we as reasonable, intelligent adults need that amount of moderation.


Boatie likened it to a sailor's bar. I think that is a good analogy. So the question is, why don't we talk to each other here the way we would actually talk to each other if we were sitting face to face across that bar. I venture that a lot of these rude posters would never in a million years talk to another sailor in person they way they do here on the forum. If they did, I dare say some here would find themselves drinking alone.

transmitterdan 13-02-2016 08:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oldragbaggers (Post 2044636)
Boatie likened it to a sailor's bar. I think that is a good analogy. So the question is, why don't we talk to each other here the way we would actually talk to each other if we were sitting face to face across that bar. I venture that a lot of these rude posters would never in a million years talk to another sailor in person they way they do here on the forum. If they did, I dare say some here would find themselves drinking alone.


Ok.

Man that chick in the corner is really hot. I wonder if she prefers mono, cat or tri? What size anchor do you think she likes?

Are we still sure we want to pretend this is a bar full of sailors?

sailorboy1 13-02-2016 08:02

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I feel the biggest change over the last couple of years is that the "be nice" rule has resulted in loss of humor and fun on the site, but not to the site being nicer. I probably spent the first 5 years here with no one on my ignore list and now there are 59 people. A lot of regulars have just left as it got to frustrating to decide if it was worth the risk of posting.

You would think the recent increase in these type of threads would flag to someone that there is a problem with how the site is managed.

Far as the OP saying there are more armchair or old book quotes on the site than before, I don't agree. I feel there has been a little change in acceptance of more modern things, you know those things younger than the mid 70s.

four winds 13-02-2016 08:07

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oldragbaggers, thank you for expressing exactly how I feel as well.

While cooking breakfast I was thinking how to express my thoughts in this thread. You saved me some tedious typing on my phone. And much better written than I would have done.

Thanks.

Now, an oil change and a day sail.

Liam Wald 13-02-2016 08:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga (Post 2044451)
definitely bad, and keeps people away but as I am recent member, do not know it any other way. Cat-mono seem to be pretty hot topic for certain mono people, maybe because they feel insecure or simply marketing campaign. As CF does provide sometimes useful info, read only mode is alternative, so you do not login.

Having recently noticing this same thing was sorry to see a divisiveness among sailors based upon choice of boat design.
I never could understand why some individuals actually become so angry with others who have opinions that are different than theirs that they feel compelled to make derisive statements or being outright exclusionary.
I don't think that it is CF in general but rather a few unhappy or highly emotional people.

monte 13-02-2016 08:11

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Really good posts oldrag, Anne, Phil, Thomm. Etc etc. pretty much all really good posts! 🍻

oldragbaggers 13-02-2016 08:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailorboy1 (Post 2044659)
I feel the biggest change over the last couple of years is that the "be nice" rule has resulted in loss of humor and fun on the site, but not to the site being nicer. I probably spent the first 5 years here with no one on my ignore list and now there are 59 people. A lot of regulars have just left as it got to frustrating to decide if it was worth the risk of posting.

You would think the recent increase in these type of threads would flag to someone that there is a problem with how the site is managed.

Far as the OP saying there are more armchair or old book quotes on the site than before, I don't agree. I feel there has been a little change in acceptance of more modern things, you know those things younger than the mid 70s.

I think you make a good point, Don. Like I said, I try to keep my comnents in check even when it's funny in my warped mind. But I'm not sure if that's because of moderation or because of the number of humorless, cranky posters here who take any comment as an opportuniry to go for the throat.

boatman61 13-02-2016 08:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by transmitterdan (Post 2044657)
Ok.

Man that chick in the corner is really hot. I wonder if she prefers mono, cat or tri? What size anchor do you think she likes?

Are we still sure we want to pretend this is a bar full of sailors?

I find the sailors with these conversations hang out in male only groups.. just looking..
Like some other 'sailors'... just keyboarding..
I prefer multi-tasking.. not everyones cuppa char..:biggrin:
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Originally Posted by oldragbaggers View Post

Boatie likened it to a sailor's bar. I think that is a good analogy. So the question is, why don't we talk to each other here the way we would actually talk to each other if we were sitting face to face across that bar. I venture that a lot of these rude posters would never in a million years talk to another sailor in person they way they do here on the forum. If they did, I dare say some here would find themselves drinking alone.
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When I say 'Bar' I mean one's local.. you wander in and the usual crowd is at the bar.. a few w/enders and a couple or 3 strangers..
General greetings.. leg pull here and there while deciding who you fancy chatting with today.. and your comfortable enough to respond to an overheard comment from some folk behind you.. and your sucked in with your little group..
Then again you may just exchange pleasantries and dive in a corner and read..


motion30 13-02-2016 08:29

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I think this is a sign of the times ,at least here in the USA we are besieged Daily watching the news with negative and derogatory coverage. Of course it is political season and this somehow allows decency and good manners to go by the wayside. I think it is just a social commentary of our time. We probably can all agree that social media is totally antisocial

MarkJ 13-02-2016 08:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete7 (Post 2044469)
Simon, we try hard to keep CF friendly and in particular ensure everyone complies with our "be nice" rule. If you feel that something is unacceptable please feel free to report it using the "report button" under everyone's profile on the left hand side of each post. It will never be perfect, but we can at least try.

For the very small minority that really want to cause offence on line, well there are other sailing forums that may suit their needs better.

Peter

Hi Peter , :)

I actually think the 'be nice' rule is the golden pathway for trolls, jerks and grumpiness.

One can nnot really report a troll post, or series of posts, until the become 'not nice'... and a troll can happily manipulate that.

I can't see how a Mod can pull a post that's obviously a troll comment because the poster can just say: tell me where I have been 'un-nice'? I didn't swear etc.

And the Be Nice rule doesn't apply to slagging off people boats. It should. No one who has invested in their pride and joy likes it when people insult their boat. In a bar it never happens because someone would get their face smacked in.

I know moderating a forum is difficult and time consuming, and I know the mods have been trying hard to make the place better. But maybe it needs a few specialts mods who are Troll Busters, agression monitors, and Irrelevance Deleters. :)

(None of this applies when I am stirring the pot!) ;)


Mark

thomm225 13-02-2016 08:33

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Originally Posted by oldragbaggers (Post 2044636)
Boatie likened it to a sailor's bar. I think that is a good analogy. So the question is, why don't we talk to each other here the way we would actually talk to each other if we were sitting face to face across that bar. I venture that a lot of these rude posters would never in a million years talk to another sailor in person they way they do here on the forum.

Or it could be a lot worse.

Depending on the bar, the mood, who's there, and the subject!

She's probably talkin' Annapolis Sailor Bars not Cherry Point, New River, Lejeune, Pendleton, etc


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