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TitoSoto 22-09-2015 11:22

$20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

oldragbaggers 22-09-2015 12:08

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
These numbers (either one) do not seem realistic to me especially if you are going to hire professionals to do all your work on the older boat.

Greenhand 22-09-2015 12:11

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
It depends on the boat. A 60K 2000's boat may not be in very good condition and as such would need plenty of maintenance projects.

As to the budget, we have spent about 15k in a year and a half, doing pretty much everything ourselves, except the exhaust manifold rebuild. Just the money you spend on epoxy is mind boggling if you have to repair anything. And properly sized wiring for the DC system? Oy Vey!! I can't imagine getting all that much for 20k from professionals. Our dock neighbor spent 2.5k having the boat painted and he taped it up and removed the tape himself and had to hound the guy to finish the job in between.

boatpoker 22-09-2015 12:18

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Your numbers are way out of whack. I've seen a 35' boat re-wired for 60k,

TitoSoto 22-09-2015 12:24

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Wow, I suppose getting work done by "professionals" might not be such a good idea then!

I know that I can definitely find a boat for ~60k as I am literally looking at a 1998 Beneteau Moorings 382 right now for 68k.

I am incredibly handy and wouldn't mind taping and untaping a boat for paint if it means spending 2k less on boat prep. But what I can't do is any of the interior cabinetry or upholstery, for example.

Jman 22-09-2015 12:41

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I presume a mis-type and you meant 20k boat with 40k added to equal the same 60k.

Even so you are not going to be even close either way - to sailing away. The newer boat will be tough shape. You will definitely not be "reconfiguring" the interior of your older choice to your exact specifications, if you get professionals doing it you won't get much of anything.

$40k at $100 an hour is only 400 hours, ten weeks of time, with no materials.


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zboss 22-09-2015 12:48

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenhand (Post 1920120)
Our dock neighbor spent 2.5k having the boat painted and he taped it up and removed the tape himself and had to hound the guy to finish the job in between.

That is one of the hardest lessons in the boat world... these guys agree to do the work but just never bother showing up or calling to do the work. Then then the yard has the balls to charge you for the time in the slip/yard waiting for them to show up.

This is why we have given up on pros for most everything and have learned to do everything ourselves.

If you get a newer boat you end up doing the exact same work as the older boat.

My buddy bought a westsail 32 and has spent the last two years completely rebuilding it from the bottom up, starting with removing everything including the interior. He just really wanted a Westsail.

You have to really love whatever boat you buy.

I vote for the 20K boat - although 20K no matter the age says to me "Hurricane Sandy".

UNCIVILIZED 22-09-2015 12:48

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Firstly, a Big part of how much it'll cost to refurbish either boat will depend on; how much it's been used, how hard, & how much upkeep over time has been done.
Also, I STRONGLY concur with the other members who are saying that your numbers are grossly undersized. It's easy to burn up $10-$15k on a repower alone. And that's with you doing a lot of the work.

For an expert opinion, read this article by Nigel Calder. He's pretty much acknowledged as THE boat maintance & upkeep guru. A Refit Reality Check | Cruising World
You'd also benefit from going to www.Mahina.com & reading their wisdoms on boat selection & upkeep (costs).

Realistically, it's easy to spend as much or more than the purchase price of either boat, in bringing them up to spec. Not including a new interior.

oldragbaggers 22-09-2015 13:32

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The more realistic approach, in my (very) humble view, if you have a $60K firm budget either way, is to look for an older boat that has been meticulously maintained, upgraded, and equipped to cruise already. It will take some patience and you will no doubt look at a lot of crap before you find one that lives up to the owner's description (every boat for sale is in "sail away condition" according to the advertising) but there are some great boats out there and if you take your time and learn to do a thorough survey (I am talking about an initial evaluation, you will still need to hire a competent surveyor once you are ready to make an offer) you can find a great boat that really is ready to take you somewhere for $60K.

I do know these boats exist. I have known people that have purchased them, and we have sold a couple ourselves at significant losses. Other people benefited from the fact that either our lives had to make a shift in direction or we had gotten 3-foot-itis.

We had friends who spent several years lovingly restoring and fitting out a Pacific Seacraft Mariah 31' with the intention of going cruising. They spared absolutely no expense and did everything to the highest possible standard. They went out for a short cruise (I am thinking a couple of months) and decided that it was too small for the long distance cruising they had in mind. They sold it at a great loss in order to buy a Peterson 44. Someone got one heck of a deal on a boat that was absolutely ready to go. These things happen for a host of different reasons.

I can't stress enough the need for a skilled surveyor if your plan is to shoot the whole budget on the purchase price because then you will be buggered when failures and defects start to make themselves known and you have no funds in reserve to deal with them, especially if you are not prepared to do your own work. It won't take many times of calling someone in to do something for you that you will either learn real quick to do your own repairs or decide that boats are much too expensive if you are on a limited budget.

You may be able to find a newer boat in the size range and budget you state, but the likelihood that it will be anywhere near pristine or properly fit out for cruising are pretty slim. You can find any number of older boats in the $20K price point and in the 35-40' size range but I can tell you from a great deal of experience (going through a refit of just such a boat ourselves right now) that you are not going to get anywhere at all on $40K if you plan to hire people to do everything for you. We fully expect to have at least that much in our boat with doing most everything except the engine repairs and making up the rigging ourselves.

Modify your expectations a bit though and there is no reason you can't get out there on a decent and sound boat for the budget you have stated and if you take your time and look carefully you might even have some $$$ left over.

Good luck to you.

JTHAW 22-09-2015 20:00

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Becky's assessment is complete reality...excellent...

haiqu 23-09-2015 04:31

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

This right here tells me you're clueless and shouldn't be buying a boat until you do a lot more research. Apart from astronomical cost it just won't work unless you intend to shore charge it continuously.

a64pilot 23-09-2015 04:42

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For whatever it's worth, I think I'm about 40K into preparing my boat for cruising, and that is almost no money in repairs as it was in excellent shape, it's in equipment, sails, rigging etc., and I have yet to touch the interior. Now all I plan on doing to interior is replacing the settee cushions as I don't think I could improve on layout and what is there is in excellent shape, but foam ages and loses it's firmness.
Point being is I think I'll end up with 50K in it after purchase price, and that was with a boat that was in excellent shape. I think I would have spent 40K if it had been off the showroom floor.
You start adding up autopilots, charging systems, radar, plotters, battery banks, generator, watermaker, refrigeration, dinghy and motor,windlass, ground tackle, davits, solar systems etc. It adds up pretty quick.

I don't mean to be disparaging, many buy a boat and a Coleman cooler and cruise quite happily, it can be done, just I'm old and the wife won't go unless I make her comfortable, or maybe she would and I just use her as an excuse?

David_Old_Jersey 23-09-2015 04:52

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
A 2000 boat will be due its 2nd refit......or well overdue its 1st!

Or could be a well maintained minter.....less of those around of course.

Me would go 40 on the boat and 20 on refit / upgrades / minor changes....age less important than being in good condition. Really good condition.

Obviously if you are looking to repower with electric that will change things (I make no comment on the advisability of doing so).....if you can find a very good boat except for a stuffed engine then likely to get a good deal - but often stuffed engine is part of a long history of lack of boat maintenance elsewhere (everywhere else?!).

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Kenomac 23-09-2015 05:06

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Save up and spend $80k on a 2000's boat that's already in good condition. Our 1998 Hunter 450 was in great condition, and didn't require any refit when we purchased it, or when we sold it in 2011

jrbogie 23-09-2015 07:37

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

which option IS MORE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE? you're kidding right? there is nothing financially irresponsible in buying the boat that you like. i would assume that you have determined the cost of upgrades on the older boat. certainly nobody here can give you that number and to proceed with the older boat would be irresponsible as finances go. so let's assume that each boat ended up costing the same 60k at the end of the day. your choice seem quite simple to me. a nice 37' boat with the interior exactly as you want without main furling or a 40' boat with main furling. i wouldn't have furling main on any boat. as i'm getting older though i am considering an electric halyard winch.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 07:54

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Guessing at numbers is pointless. If you're really serious about buying a boat get out there & start looking at boats. Don't get in a hurry & look at a lot of boats. The more you see the more you'll know what you want & what it should cost. When you find the right boat in the right condition at the right price you'll know it.

Dave22q 23-09-2015 07:58

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i also question your numbers as well as the cost and value of a roller furling main. the engines are a major item so scrapping them is a plus if you can find a nice boat with engine issues. I spent time looking at electric a few years ago and concluded that any refit would be uneconomic even if you solved the recharge issue.
the idea of reworking the interior of an older boat for only 20k sounds unreal to me if done in the US.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 08:13

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Repowering with electric will be the way to go someday but unless you have or are adding a generator it doesn't make sense now. Marine diesels are actually amazing little things that will take you very far for very little money.

Electric Boats, Motor Yachts, Launches, Electric Powered Boats

Panope 23-09-2015 08:15

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The only sane reason to buy a project boat, is if the buyer wants to do a project. If the buyer just wants to go sailing, he should buy a boat that a "project doer" just finished.

Steve

hsi88 23-09-2015 08:21

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
I think it really depends on what you plan to do with the boat. If you plan to do a lot of sailing beyond the sight of land, you will be spending a lot of money on piece of mind (like in the article). But if you are just living aboard and going up and down the ICW, skip all that and buy a $10k boat and work on it over time.

Also, you don't have to buy all your materials through West Marine. Used boat parts are everywhere, including sails, and have lots of life left in them. And why not source materials from local suppliers and get local labor to do things the "professionals" want an arm and a leg for. As long as someone with knowledge knows the difference. A local electrician is no dummy. They are certified and wire the homes we live in, do underground work, etc. etc. Besides, you would be shocked how much work you can have done for a day of sailing and some beer. If you have the money, spend it. If not, have some fun.

jkindredpdx 23-09-2015 08:42

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oldragbaggers (Post 1920190)
The more realistic approach, in my (very) humble view, if you have a $60K firm budget either way, is to look for an older boat that has been meticulously maintained, upgraded, and equipped to cruise already...
Good luck to you.

I agree. Plus, I would not buy a boat planning to do major projects like a repower right off the bat. IMHO, It's much more fun to sail than work... 5 yrs ago the PO was asking $50k for my well maintained 35' sailboat. Of course the nav/electronics were outdated, but my work has been little more than regular maintenance and I'm still far south of $60k.

TrentePieds 23-09-2015 08:48

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"I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter."

Oy!!! You'll need one helluva long extension cord. Make sure its the outdoor, waterproof type :-)

TrentePieds

Terra Nova 23-09-2015 09:12

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

What you haven't said, but is indicated by your post, is that you have little experience with boats. Yet you are driven to have professionals build you a custom interior, to your design, so you can have exactly what you want. Even more dubious is your plan to convert whatever you buy into electric power! A huge project, of extreme technical risk and highly questionable logic, costing 10's of thousands of dollars. Now I must assume your boating experience to be rather closer to none at all.

So I must advise you to get some actual experience sailing and spending days and nights on boats. This should let you see the folly of the assumptions that have led you to concoct such a plan.

A 40'+, older, $20k boat will likely be in dire need of $100k++ in professional refitting--that's before installing an amateur-designed interior!

Do your own due diligence.

Cheechako 23-09-2015 09:29

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You cannot "redo the interior entirely" properly for $20k if you are not doing the work yourself.
Listen to the posters on this forum, while they may seem negative at times, many of us have learned the hard way how difficult, expensive and time consuming boat works is, and how very difficult it is to find someone to do the work for you properly.

sveinutne 23-09-2015 09:34

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
This remind me of myself 5 years ago. I bought and old boat from 1969, Ericson 41. It got very nice lines so I gave it a bid for 10K and got it on eBay unseen. The boat was cheap, but needed new engine, instrument and a new deck plus a lot of work and new paint. I had originally planned to sail it home from Florida to Norway, but after inspecting the boat, I decided to ship it instead. That was and additional 20K, new engine 10k instrument 5k material 10k including the paint. I did all the work myself, so after two years of work I put it back in the water. Now it is sailing like a dream. But if professionals should have done it I think it would have been too expensive.

Steadman Uhlich 23-09-2015 09:59

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

Howdy Titosoto!

You have already gotten a lot of good comments from members who have "been there and done that" kind of experience related to refitting an old boat.
:thumb::thumb:

Given your desire to use electric motors in your future boat, and your flexibility in boat design, and your interest in older boats that are lower initial cost, I have the following suggestions:

1. Go to this thread and look at post #10. It features a low cost boat that already has an electric motor installed, and it appears to be "ready to sail." It was recently available for sale (and may still be). I have no idea where you are located. And that boat is in the PNW. However, given its low asking price, you could conceivably have it trucked to your location and still be spending less than your projected "low cost" boat purchase. I have no connection to that boat, but it might give you a good start with fulfilling some of your desires.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ds-147098.html

2. You have an interest in Electric Motor propulsion of a sailboat. I find the topic interesting too. It has been discussed many times here on the forum, but finding those threads can be a problem. So I used my recommended method of a "Google Custom Search" of just CF and found the following 3,000 hits using the search terms "electric motor engine." Take a look at these for detailed discussions of the cost and benefits of electric motors on sailboats (and dinghies):

electric motor engine - Google Search

redhead 23-09-2015 10:56

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
We are currently into our 15th month of restoring a boat and not sailing a whole hell of a lot. We do about 85% of the work ourselves (not our first project) and the refit is already more than the purchase price. Still have to replace all hoses and belts in the engine room and rewiring in 2 phases by a professional simply because we can't afford to do it all at once. In the beginning we were sure that throwing a little more money at the problem would solve it and we found out, to our chagrin, that it just ain't so. Now a complex formula of time divided by dollars multiplied by simplicity of solution is used in every decision. Older and wiser, we hope.

This investment does not include making the boat blue water ready. That'll be another chunk of money. We foolishly thought we would be "out there" in 6-9 months. Now we are (rationally, I hope) planning on leaving for Alaska next May.

Your refit budget sounds a lot like ours was in 2014. It's what you THINK it should cost versus what the supply houses and professionals KNOW it will cost.
Sadly, never the same thing in my experience.

Buy the boat in the best condition, plans for major redesign of interior spaces sounds very time and $$ consuming. All boats are a compromise unless you have the wherewithall to commission the boat of your dreams. Sailing's the thing, not eternally working on it. Good luck

Greenhand 23-09-2015 11:10

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
I think you would be surprised at what it really takes to change the interior layout of a boat. Bulkheads are often structural. I am onboard right now and I can tell you that our liner is formed for the bulkheads to be slotted in. Easy enough to take out if it isn't tabbed in, but now you are going to have to reglass the liner to get rid of the ridge. You want to move a sink? Now you need your drain thru hull moved, so the old has to be glassed in and the new cut and installed. If you change berths or settees, you will likely have to change tank locations.

Cadence 23-09-2015 11:39

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

Buy the new one! JMHO

jreiter190 23-09-2015 13:35

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
When I had a 1934 25'7" on deck Atkin sloop, someone asked me," Jonathan, what does it cost you to run your little boat? ". "Every nickel I can get my hands on", I said. "Well, what did it cost you when you had your fifty footer ?" " Every nickel I could get my hands on", I said. Your income seems to adjust itself to the size boat you are supporting, so, my advice is, buy the boat you want, because it will take every nickel you can get your hands on. At least you'll have the boat you want.

lesterbutch 23-09-2015 16:26

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boatpoker (Post 1920127)
Your numbers are way out of whack. I've seen a 35' boat re-wired for 60k,

I just had a 35' Pearson rewired for $10k. I cant even imagine 60k!

Sailmonkey 23-09-2015 17:33

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lesterbutch (Post 1921230)
I just had a 35' Pearson rewired for $10k. I cant even imagine 60k!


And I've rewired a 32' for the cost of materials......but I Am That Guy!!!


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Lakota 23-09-2015 18:00

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by haiqu (Post 1920639)
This right here tells me you're clueless and shouldn't be buying a boat until you do a lot more research. Apart from astronomical cost it just won't work unless you intend to shore charge it continuously.

Not so fast here haiqu. I was invited aboard a Hunter 30 this morning in my marina to look at the installation of an electric (Propulsion) motor. The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000.
Not my cup of tea, but for those who might be inclined, could be a reasonable option.

leftbrainstuff 23-09-2015 18:18

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

Those numbers are probably low if you do the work yourself. Let alone outsourcing.

Buy a boat with the interior you like. A complete interior redo is a big job.

Not sure I'd use the term financially responsible when customizing a boat.

Why electric propulsion? Even with regular use we don't add many engine hours in a year. If you have a good powerplant why change it?

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gamayun 23-09-2015 18:29

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boatpoker (Post 1920127)
Your numbers are way out of whack. I've seen a 35' boat re-wired for 60k,

With a friend's help working 5 solid days for the two of us and >$3000 in supplies at near wholesale prices, including rewiring and installing new batteries and AC and DC panels on my boat. Still more work needs to be done wiring the new electronics and mast wiring.

So I completely agree with others that your numbers are whacked. Good luck staying in budget :nonono:

gamayun 23-09-2015 18:36

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jreiter190 (Post 1921117)
When I had a 1934 25'7" on deck Atkin sloop, someone asked me," Jonathan, what does it cost you to run your little boat? ". "Every nickel I can get my hands on", I said. "Well, what did it cost you when you had your fifty footer ?" " Every nickel I could get my hands on", I said. Your income seems to adjust itself to the size boat you are supporting, so, my advice is, buy the boat you want, because it will take every nickel you can get your hands on. At least you'll have the boat you want.

OH this.

It is so true.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 18:41

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakota (Post 1921284)
Not so fast here haiqu. I was invited aboard a Hunter 30 this morning in my marina to look at the installation of an electric (Propulsion) motor. The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000.
Not my cup of tea, but for those who might be inclined, could be a reasonable option.

Do you know what brand the motor is?

jreiter190 23-09-2015 18:57

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Why,now you're interested , and the hippie doesn't sound so crazy now wanting to put an electric propulsion system in her bit smaller Tartan? If for 6 grand I could do away with all the crap involved in an internal propulsion system that would deliver all that... my Kubota cost six grand in the crate in 2005.

captlloyd 23-09-2015 19:00

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
:trash:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakota (Post 1921284)
Not so fast here haiqu. I was invited aboard a Hunter 30 this morning in my marina to look at the installation of an electric (Propulsion) motor. The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000.
Not my cup of tea, but for those who might be inclined, could be a reasonable option.

Nice to see a post from someone who is not so closed minded. I wouldn't want electric power on my boat, but that doesn't mean it isn't viable for someone else.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 19:29

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jreiter190 (Post 1921331)
Why,now you're interested , and the hippie doesn't sound so crazy now wanting to put an electric propulsion system in her bit smaller Tartan? If for 6 grand I could do away with all the crap involved in an internal propulsion system that would deliver all that... my Kubota cost six grand in the crate in 2005.

If that's directed at me you haven't read my posts. I've always been interested in electric propulsion. My Scout 30 is a perfect boat for it. I've even talked to an Elco rep about it. The problem is that you still have to solve the problem of limited range & recharging. As I said before, if you're just going short distances this will work but if you're actually cruising you need a generator. Not necessarily a bad thing but a lot of expense. In fact, after you buy the electric motor, high end batteries, charging system, generator & solar charging system you're looking way more than double the cost of a diesel repower. But if it can be done cheaper I'd like to hear about it.


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