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lesterbutch 23-09-2015 16:26

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
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Originally Posted by boatpoker (Post 1920127)
Your numbers are way out of whack. I've seen a 35' boat re-wired for 60k,

I just had a 35' Pearson rewired for $10k. I cant even imagine 60k!

Sailmonkey 23-09-2015 17:33

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Originally Posted by lesterbutch (Post 1921230)
I just had a 35' Pearson rewired for $10k. I cant even imagine 60k!


And I've rewired a 32' for the cost of materials......but I Am That Guy!!!


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Lakota 23-09-2015 18:00

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Originally Posted by haiqu (Post 1920639)
This right here tells me you're clueless and shouldn't be buying a boat until you do a lot more research. Apart from astronomical cost it just won't work unless you intend to shore charge it continuously.

Not so fast here haiqu. I was invited aboard a Hunter 30 this morning in my marina to look at the installation of an electric (Propulsion) motor. The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000.
Not my cup of tea, but for those who might be inclined, could be a reasonable option.

leftbrainstuff 23-09-2015 18:18

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Originally Posted by TitoSoto (Post 1920087)
Which is the more financially responsible option?

1. 1970's 20k 40'+ Sailboat + 20k in "upgrades"

or

2. 2000's 60k 37' Sailboat


I will not do all the work myself on the older boat, so it will not become a "project", everything will be done once by a professional (hence the "high" 40k add-on). My arguments;

- I can completely redo the interior of an older boat with that much cash, so I will have EXACTLY the layout I want (and be much nicer than a newer boat), plus I can get a larger boat for much less (because of age).

- But, a newer boat has a furling main which is a big plus for me, something I couldn't add to an older boat because of the high cost. Also, no work involved.

- I will convert either one to electric propulsion, so the engine age and condition don't matter.

Those numbers are probably low if you do the work yourself. Let alone outsourcing.

Buy a boat with the interior you like. A complete interior redo is a big job.

Not sure I'd use the term financially responsible when customizing a boat.

Why electric propulsion? Even with regular use we don't add many engine hours in a year. If you have a good powerplant why change it?

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gamayun 23-09-2015 18:29

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Originally Posted by boatpoker (Post 1920127)
Your numbers are way out of whack. I've seen a 35' boat re-wired for 60k,

With a friend's help working 5 solid days for the two of us and >$3000 in supplies at near wholesale prices, including rewiring and installing new batteries and AC and DC panels on my boat. Still more work needs to be done wiring the new electronics and mast wiring.

So I completely agree with others that your numbers are whacked. Good luck staying in budget :nonono:

gamayun 23-09-2015 18:36

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Originally Posted by jreiter190 (Post 1921117)
When I had a 1934 25'7" on deck Atkin sloop, someone asked me," Jonathan, what does it cost you to run your little boat? ". "Every nickel I can get my hands on", I said. "Well, what did it cost you when you had your fifty footer ?" " Every nickel I could get my hands on", I said. Your income seems to adjust itself to the size boat you are supporting, so, my advice is, buy the boat you want, because it will take every nickel you can get your hands on. At least you'll have the boat you want.

OH this.

It is so true.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 18:41

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Originally Posted by Lakota (Post 1921284)
Not so fast here haiqu. I was invited aboard a Hunter 30 this morning in my marina to look at the installation of an electric (Propulsion) motor. The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000.
Not my cup of tea, but for those who might be inclined, could be a reasonable option.

Do you know what brand the motor is?

jreiter190 23-09-2015 18:57

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Why,now you're interested , and the hippie doesn't sound so crazy now wanting to put an electric propulsion system in her bit smaller Tartan? If for 6 grand I could do away with all the crap involved in an internal propulsion system that would deliver all that... my Kubota cost six grand in the crate in 2005.

captlloyd 23-09-2015 19:00

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Originally Posted by Lakota (Post 1921284)
Not so fast here haiqu. I was invited aboard a Hunter 30 this morning in my marina to look at the installation of an electric (Propulsion) motor. The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000.
Not my cup of tea, but for those who might be inclined, could be a reasonable option.

Nice to see a post from someone who is not so closed minded. I wouldn't want electric power on my boat, but that doesn't mean it isn't viable for someone else.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 19:29

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Originally Posted by jreiter190 (Post 1921331)
Why,now you're interested , and the hippie doesn't sound so crazy now wanting to put an electric propulsion system in her bit smaller Tartan? If for 6 grand I could do away with all the crap involved in an internal propulsion system that would deliver all that... my Kubota cost six grand in the crate in 2005.

If that's directed at me you haven't read my posts. I've always been interested in electric propulsion. My Scout 30 is a perfect boat for it. I've even talked to an Elco rep about it. The problem is that you still have to solve the problem of limited range & recharging. As I said before, if you're just going short distances this will work but if you're actually cruising you need a generator. Not necessarily a bad thing but a lot of expense. In fact, after you buy the electric motor, high end batteries, charging system, generator & solar charging system you're looking way more than double the cost of a diesel repower. But if it can be done cheaper I'd like to hear about it.

captlloyd 23-09-2015 19:50

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Originally Posted by Scout 30 (Post 1921353)
If that's directed at me you haven't read my posts. I've always been interested in electric propulsion. My Scout 30 is a perfect boat for it. I've even talked to an Elco rep about it. The problem is that you still have to solve the problem of limited range & recharging. As I said before, if you're just going short distances this will work but if you're actually cruising you need a generator. Not necessarily a bad thing but a lot of expense. In fact, after you buy the electric motor, high end batteries, charging system, generator & solar charging system you're looking way more than double the cost of a diesel repower. But if it can be done cheaper I'd like to hear about it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but we are comparing apples and oranges here. The OP is talking about a sail boat. Seem to me a sailboat would work with electric better as the main propulsion is by sail. The electric would be for docking and transit out to sea. :banghead:

jreiter190 23-09-2015 19:53

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Lakota said the whole system cost 6K in a 30 footer. A Hunter 30 is the Cherubini, isn't it? A heavy little boat when equipped for Cruising. The guy claimed it drove his boat at hull speed for ten hours. If he only ran 41/2Kn., could he double that to 20 hrs? How far does a sailboat have to motor to get sea room to start sailing? Plus, the solar panels put some back, the free wheeling prop under sail puts charge back. Am I missing? No noise, no oil or fuel in the bilge,no exhaust fumes. I have space for eight six volt batteries below the water line, either side of the ballast, right in the center of the boat. Scout, sorry if you felt I was targeting you. I know you wern't pooh poohing the electric idea. Excuse me.

mitiempo 23-09-2015 20:23

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
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Originally Posted by Lakota (Post 1921284)
He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank.

That range at hull speed is impossible.

Scout 30 23-09-2015 20:26

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The Elco 1200, comparable to an 18hp diesel, costs $8,000 without batteries or charging system. Elco estimates a 3 - 7 hour cruising range on this 48 volt motor. Of course the more throttle you use the shorter the range meaning punching into a headwind or fighting a current could deplete your bank more quickly. You can see by this that under some circumstances you could have less than a 20 mile range which most would consider inadequate. As I said before, if you're just going short distances for day sailing this will work fine. If you're heading down the ICW or over to the Bahamas it's not a viable option without a generator. And this motor, which is one of the smaller ones, is rated at 5.1 KW continuous (8.8 kw peak) which means a small generator won't work. I'd also want the biggest solar system I could fit just to extend the range.

Terra Nova 23-09-2015 20:53

Re: $20k boat VS $60k boat
 
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Originally Posted by Lakota (Post 1921284)
...The guy loves it. He said he can motor at hull speed for 10 hours. His motor gives him equivalent 20 hp. When sailing, the spinning prop re-charges the 8 6-volt battery bank. It is a very compact and clean installation. The owner said it cost him $6,000...

And you believed him? :whistling: :) Did he do the installation himself?

Any boat can be setup with a water-powered generator. But the drag does cost you boat speed.


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